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#54701 02/01/02 03:48 AM
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I'm not sure this qualifies as a word, but I can recall hearing people express mild disapproval by saying "tisk-tisk," (rhyming with "disk." ) I've always thought of it as being the clicking sound made by placing the tip of the tongue behind the upper front teeth. I wonder if this sound, with its implied meaning, is unique to English.


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An excellent question, my Carrolian friend. A most hearty welcome for anyone with a handle of such distinguished lineage.

I'm sure I have heard Italians making the sound you refer to, but have no idea how they write it. Emanuela, you there?


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I've always associated that sound with wagging fingers, although I've never heard it pronounced as clearly as 'tisk'. For me it's more of a 'clicking the tongue while dragging air through your teeth' kind of noise.

Also, these days (for me anyway) it has a slightly mocking, sarcastic tone to it. As in - someone's doing something mildly out of order, you both know it and you're pretending to give them a ticking off, but neither of you really care. It's not something I would ever do seriously.


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I've said 'tisk' on occasions, in a kind of mock-fastidious way.

Some spellings acquire a life of their own. Unspellable noises get rendered by some hopelessly imperfect jumble of letters - tsk or tisk, miaow or meow, phew or whew, ugh, blech -; and later we're so used to the spelling convention that it becomes a word in its own right, and we pronounce it by its letters, not by the sound it originally represented.

Personally I've always thought ntk would be a better rendering.

In Zulu and Xhosa it's the sound of the letter c.


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When I lived in Sardinia, that sound was commonly taken to mean "no". I don't know if that's a widespread Italian usage, or just confined to the island. I've finally gotten my husband to understand what I mean when I use it. Otherwise I tend to say "tsk - no" just to be clear.


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I've said 'tisk' on occasions, in a kind of mock-fastidious way.

You are walking into a prior dispute as to whether the pronunciation is "tisk" or "ts-k", nick.

[mock baleful glare at jackie -e]



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To slithy toves --
Hail to thee, blithe Spirit! Welcome aboard, tovarich! Mazel tov!
[using up 20% of his Russian knowledge -e]


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Slithy Toves has joined us!
Now all is truly brillig.
Welcome ST


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Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be looking in often.


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Welcome, and a question, slithy--I see you're in Florida. That, plus your name, makes me ask: are you an alligator?


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No. Actually I'm a retired edu-gator. (Sorry)


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but you do Gyre and gimble in the wabe.. don't you?

You'll love it here, slithy toves, its a really Red Queen kind of place..

who knows maybe we'll even invite you to our next tea party.


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It's an open invitation. This place is addictive. If you don't believe me, look next to my name!

BTW, don't ever be sorry about making a funny here!!

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My Mamie used to go tsk-tsk-tsk and look at us crosswise which would mean "stop what you are doing right now"


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Wlecome to our current rendition of The Mad Hatter, slithy toves!

And you'll like it just fine here, as long as you beware the jub-jub bird and shun the frumious bandersnatch! (but there's really nothing to beware or shun here at all, so enjoy the ride...have you met Tweedledum and Tweedledee yet?)


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Erp. Yeah. Come to my arms, my beamish boy. And very appropriate for Charles Dodgson, too.

And that's damned near all I can remember of The Jabberwocky. I KNEW I knew where that name came from!

Oh, and my welcome too, slithy toves.



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Come to my arms, my beamish boy. And very appropriate for Charles Dodgson, too.

Really? I thought he liked Liddell girls.



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Really? I thought he liked Liddell girls.

Not according to my saucies. 'Twas all a cover ... actually I don't know, I just read somewhere that he was considered to be gay. I like little girls, too, provided they're not my 10-year-old goddaughter on one of her worse days, but not that way!



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Dear Max: I agree with you completely. For the heck of it I searched, and could find nothing that seriously suggested his interest in little Alice Liddell was unhealthy. I have always enjoyed watching children develop mentally, which in medical school led me to get married to a classmate. Our first daughter was born the day after our final exam. We had four more. The happiest days of my life were during their childhood.








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I've also had a poke around the web, and I couldn't find anything at all which suggested his relationship with the Liddell girls went beyond that of a lonely man who found solace in the pleasure of watching other people's children develop. I can understand that, because I don't have any children and I do rather like watching my friends' kids grow up. Haven't been tempted to write any famous childrens' books on the strength of that, though!

Perhaps if I changed my name I could become an Oxford "Don" and be able to laze around all day ...



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I could become an Oxford "Don"

Lemme make you an offah ya cant refuse...


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watching my friends' kids grow up.

Hear! Hear!* I spent a winter with a family that had a two year old and a three year old, both girls. They were very tight and I learned more that winter about child development and language acquisition than I could have hoped to in any classroom.

* That was cross threading!


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I reiterate:

CapK, Faldage: and time you want to bask in the joy of witnesses child development, I've got two loaners ready to go.


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I reiterate:

CapK, Faldage: and time you want to bask in the joy of witnesses child development, I've got two loaners ready to go.


I reiterate:

Lemme me you an offah ya cant refuse


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bask in the joy of witnesses child development

This is, of course, best done from the detachment of pseudo-unclehood. Direct responsibility for the nurture of the child(ren) is strictly forbidden.


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This is, of course, best done from the detachment of pseudo-unclehood.

Nay, sir, being 14 years older than one's sister is surely much better.


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Slith toves

Let me add my voice belatedly to the chorus of greetings!

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And then there is the fact that his position and standing as a don and a clergyman (he was an ordained deacon) would be seriously jeopardized at the slightest hint of scandal. And the father of the Liddell girls was master of his college. No, I believe that while some aspects of his relationship with Alice seem very strange and possibly perverted to us who have seen or heard so much in our modern era of no-holds-barred sexuality, you have to consider Victorian sentimentality, much of which is almost incomprehensible to us today.


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stales: Thanks for the words of welcome. I'm gonna like it here.
slithy toves aka Richard


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the detachment of pseudo-unclehood.

being 14 years older than one's sister is surely much better.

Perhaps the greater involvement may give you some advantage but I was still just barely on the wrong side of thirty (that'd be late twenties) which I would say gave me an advantage over being 16. Although in your case you may well have been more advanced at 16 than I was at 28.


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the wrong side of thirty (that'd be late twenties)

Can we assume this was after you studied for a Uniperversity degree?



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Can we assume this was after you studied for a Uniperversity degree?

I suppose you could, but you would be slightly amiss doing so. I had studied but performed the remarkable feat of dropping out, flunking out and getting kicked out in the same semester in my first run for the ruses, and had not yet begun my second, ultimately successful, attempt at same.


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the remarkable feat of dropping out, flunking out and getting kicked out in the same semester in my first run for the ruses

Marry, here’s grace and a codpiece;
that’s a wise man and a fool…

But I will tarry: the fool will stay
And let the wise man fly.
The knave turns fool that runs away
The fool no knave, perdy.





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               the fool will stay
And let the wise man fly.


And remember, A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees.




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Yo, slithy and welcome:

I've also seen it spelled as tut-tut. [helpful look]


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Arthur Block – Murpyhy’s Law, 1979





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