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The following explanation of Pope's use of caesura is from "Poetry: A Critical and Historical Introduction" by I. Ribner and H. Morris (1961). Quote:
We must also note Pope's skillful placing of the caesura, the major break in each of the lines. [...] Note the following:
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But hark! || the chiming clocks to dinner call;
A hundred footsteps scrape || the marble hall:
The rich buffet || well-coloured serpents grace,
And gaping Tritons spew || to wash your face.
Is this dinner? || this a genial room?
No, 'tis a temple, || and a hecatomb.
A solemn sacrifice, || performed in state,
You drink by measure, || and to minutes eat.
So quick retires each flying course, || you'd swear
Sancho's dread doctor || and his wand were there.
—Moral Essay Four: Of the Use of Riches, Alexander Pope.
The first four lines show a clever variation, the caesura being placed after the second syllable of the first line, after the sixth syllable of the second line, after the fourth syllable of the third line, and again after the sixth syllable of the fourth line. Then for three of the four lines containing the strongest satiric impact of the passage we have caesura placed each time after the fifth syllable. This is followed by the variety of a line with a caesura again, as a kind of echo of the preceding lines. It is by this adroit use of the caesura that Pope keeps his closed heroic couplets from the monotonous sing-song to which they might easily fall in the hands of a lesser poet.
Although it makes sense to place one after the poet's commas and question marks, I am not sure why—for example—they identify a caesura after the sixth syllable of the second line "scrape". Why not after the fifth "footsteps"?
e.g. A hundred footsteps || scrape the marble hall
The book's glossary defines caesura as "a break in rhythmical flow of a line of verse, coming usually from a sense pause and also created by means of punctuation. Usually the caesura occurs in the middle of the line".
This last "middle of the line" definition is especially confusing in view of both the above non-medial placement of the caesura as well as their insistence on Pope's skillful placement of the caesura in this poem. I mean, if the caesura is usually determined by middleness, there is little room for choice of placement, which leaves "sense pause". Is a caesura, then, always either placed after the verb phrase before the object (line 2); or after the subject and before the predicate (line 4) unless otherwise determined by punctuation or mediality?
What's the goddam rule here?
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though I know not Pope (not having been in the woods recently), aren't they saying that Pope used the caesura in a fairly unique way? he chose where the pauses would come, not based upon any particular rule, but where he felt he wanted them to be? Quote:
It is by this adroit use of the caesura that Pope keeps his closed heroic couplets from the monotonous sing-song to which they might easily fall in the hands of a lesser poet.
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But the editors inserted the "||" marks to show where Pope meant the caesura to go. What I don't understand is, how did the editors know; how did they decide where Pope meant for there to be a pause? In some of the lines given it's obvious, but in others doesn't it seem an open question where the pause should be? No?
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Here. I've removed the caesura marks from the lines which I think don't have an obvious place for pause.
But hark! || the chiming clocks to dinner call;
A hundred footsteps scrape the marble hall: [?]
The rich buffet well-coloured serpents grace, [?]
And gaping Tritons spew to wash your face. [?]
Is this dinner? || this a genial room?
No, 'tis a temple, || and a hecatomb.
A solemn sacrifice, || performed in state,
You drink by measure, || and to minutes eat.
So quick retires each flying course, || you'd swear
Sancho's dread doctor and his wand were there. [?]
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Try to read the non-punctuated parts as mushed together as you can then as clearly as you can. Find the differences between those two renditions and you'll find where most of the other caesurae need to go.
There is not a caesura in "footsteps scrape" because the two sssss's slide together - there is no stoppage of breath or major rearrangement of mouthparts. "scrape the" is a pretty obvious one, your mouth has to close completely on the p and reform to make the th. It's hard to say pth without putting in a transition of some sort(p||th or puh-th).
On "buffet well", I'm wondering if Pope pronounced the T there - if he did it's an obvious break. "buffay well" I'm not so sure about.
"doctor and" in the last line is a more subtle one. In the clearly spoken version, I make a sort of soft glottal stop there.
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What's the goddam rule here?
The rule here is Don't use profanity and if you do, spell your vulgarism correctly. 
In praise of the prose of Pope I suggest that the use of the caesura is twofold...
(1) for sound
and
(2) for sight.
Thank you. 
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But the editors inserted the "||" marks to show where Pope meant the caesura to go. What I don't understand is, how did the editors know; how did they decide where Pope meant for there to be a pause? In some of the lines given it's obvious, but in others doesn't it seem an open question where the pause should be? No?
I'm assuming that they are looking at the original maunscript, or a published edition approved by Pope, that shows obvious, extra spaces at those ||.
and I don't know what you may have deleted in your posts, but don't let milo get to you... 
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I like your hypothesis etaoin, because it makes the most sense. As for the milum, read it and weep, my friend: Quote:
goddamn (also goddam or goddamned) adjective, adverb, & noun informal used for emphasis, esp. to express anger or frustration : [as adj. ] we're sick of this goddamn weather | [as n. ] I don't give a goddamn what you do!
ORIGIN mid 17th cent.: abbreviation of God damn (me).
—Oxford English Dictionary, 2005
This is what irked me; not being corrected, but being incorrectly corrected. I mean, how does this chap's intellectual haughtiness sustain itself without a solid underwriting argument? By a monstrous, epigonic vanity. Surely any reasonable person would at least attempt to confirm their suspicion that someone else has made a mistake before correcting them. But who is this man, who jumps the gun to play school-master, before realising the joke is on him? That’s what you call an ego writing cheques it can’t cash.
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