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An Hispanic friend of mine goes crazy when she hears, "salsa sauce." Do people say it so they don't mistakenly get "salsa dance" with their tacos? Another annoying culinary redundancy is the phrase, "with au jus."
Neither of the above examples are really reduncancies, though. Since "salsa" and "au jus" have been adopted into English, English is free to apply its own rules to them. Saying "salsa sauce" is NOT the same as saying "salsa salsa" in whichever Romance language one happens to deriving the English word from.
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though I would say "with au jus" due to my ignorance of French, and the reason that Vernon mentioned, I have never heard anyone say "salsa sauce".
thankfully.
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There are many of these phrases that would seem to be redundancies, or at least prone to being redundated (not that there's anything wrong with that). Scampi means shrimp (pl) in Italian. That doesn't stop us from using it as a word meaning a way of preparing shrimp (among other items). Lox is ultimately (through Yiddish) from the German word for salmon but we use it to mean particularly smoked salmon
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I think in one of the AWAD mail issues someone noted that "La Brea" means "the tar", so that to say "The La Brea Tar Pits" was to say "The the tar tar pits".
Not with salsa sauce, perhaps, but pobviously with tartar sauce.....
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If I can put up with the hoi polloi without wincing, I'm sure other people can put up with with au jus and salsa sauce, not that I've ever heard or seen either of them.
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wofa, I think you're worth quoting here:
i.e., TOR = hill in indigenous language
PEN = hill in language of first conqueror, who called it Tor Pen, thinking it was "Tor Hill"
HOW = hill by next wave, giving "Torpen How" in his language
HILL by most recent, etc., giving the present Torpenhow Hill
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Lest we find our manners abbreviated and not working can I welcome you prolix? Pull up a chair, throw rocks, enjoy the cheerful anarchy of this place!
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Yes, welcome, prolix! 'Scuse us for getting all caught up in the discussion.
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You people act like a little redundancy was the end of the worldReluctantly I feel compelled to agree with you against my will  By the way, New Scientist magazine has an ongoing section on the subject of "redundant acronym syndrome". http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18624971.400Some of the examples quoted here are also to be found there: is that circularity or redundancy?
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