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Say cat, and notice that there is no puff of air after the /t...
There is when I say "cat" at the end of a sentence or by itself... but this could be my choral skills rearing.
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Yes, singers, actors, and public speakers alter the way they speak.
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we tend not to release our word final stops
This is the difference I want to make between a plosive and a stop.
some transliterations of Abu Ghraib that I've seen have an /e/ between the two letters
A year old National Geographic I was reading in a doctor's waiting room yesterday had the transliteration Abu Ghurayb.
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Standard Arabic words can't begin with two consonants, so Ghuraib/Ghurayb is the way it's written, and it seems the Iraqi dialect doesn't pronounce the u.
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Thanks for the link, jheem! I shoulda known I wasn't the only one asking....
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Standard Arabic words can't begin with two consonants...
Right. It's a transliteration.
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Well, you're free to make this distinction, but most phonologists will see plosive as a slightly older term for stop.
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Standard Arabic words can't begin with two consonants
Only if they're marking vowels, which they usually don't. ;) I really need to learn Arabic some day.
and it seems the Iraqi dialect doesn't pronounce the u.
I wonder if they devoice the vowel as the Japanese do in some environments: cf. desu ka being pronounced /dEska/. In Classical Arabic, is ghurayb 'raven' pronounced with the u as /u/ or /@/ (as in tutor or but)?
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Well, they don't usually write their vowels, so lots of words begin with two vowels, but I think what Jenet is saying is that phonologically, Arabic doesn't allow word-initial consonant clusters. Also, remember the gh is represented by a single glyph in Arabic, so there's not three letters there. In the IPA, gh would be represented by a gamma /ɣ/.
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