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Thanks to Anu for this week's collection: "You'd
rather have no-nonsense words that come in suit and tie, words that you can put to work right away" (today's: "proscribe")
So I hope this week's will all be what for want of a better adjective, I've called "Type-2". Compare with "Words such as resistentialism and petrichor don't excite you", definitely Type-3
I would like to form a Coalition for the Dissemination of the Type-2. Join me in my quest. To promote their propagation, when you encounter such a term record it on a Post-It, which you might stick up on a prominent spot, where you'll have to perceive it at least once a day, such as the wall of your office, the perimeter of your monitor, or above your dresser
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yeahbut, one pn's type-3 is another's type-2. 
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> above your dresser
the Bureau of Type-2?
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-To replace the slogan 'Armoire of One'.
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Compare with "Words such as resistentialism and petrichor don't excite you", definitely Type-3
Oh, I dunno. I encounter resistentialism all the time and use the word to the point of wearing it to a frazzle.
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yeahbut, one pn's type-3 is another's type-2.
Let's not forget that for those with poor motor skills, Type-2s and Type-3s can both become Type-0s.
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> Type-0s
they'll be out for blood now...
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Ha! Y'all kill me, you really do! 
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I didn't get any of this thread except the last two-three comments.
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Anna: We (or at least I) apologize profusely for any bewilderment and would be most happy to elucidate upon any point not having been clearly expressed if only you would identify the offending passages, indicating in each case the grounds of your perplexity
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["I would like to form a Coalition for the Dissemination of the Type-2"]
Dale, I don't know to which category "coalition" belongs; that one I can use without looking it up. But "dissemination" I had to look up. To me that might allready be a type-3 word. You could also have said "spreading around". Which would be a type - 2 expression to me, (if I got it right)
It is hard to form a coalition when you can't be sure that your definition has the same meaning or value to others, as it has to you.
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"I would like to form a Coalition for the Dissemination of the Type-2"
Dale, I don't know to which category "coalition" belongs;
***I myself would place it as Type-2 since I judge most folk (eg, you and I) understand it well. I could have used a Type-1, such as "Club"
that one I can use without looking it up. But "dissemination" I had to look up. To me that might already be a type-3 word.
***Indeed your point is well taken. I would place it at Type-2 although many words are of course intermediate
You could also have said "spreading around". Which would be a type - 2 expression to me, (if I got it right)
***To me it's definitely Type-1 since it's universally understood and exactly what one might say casually without stopping to think
It is hard to form a coalition when you can't be sure that your definition has the same meaning or value to others, as it has to you.
***True, but that's not the main stumbling block
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yes, the main stumbling block would be all of the weisenheimers who responded in mordant, contumelious fashion.
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> weisenheimers who responded in mordant, contumelious fashion.
/bow
a bit harsh, though, don't you think?
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a bit harsh, though, don't you think?
nice of you to think so, but I always have been hard on myself.
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a bit harsh, though, don't you think?
nice of you to think so, but I always have been hard on myself.
How did this thread veer toward auto-eroticism?
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blood
violence
sex
what's next?
food or video tape?
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too right; time for the righteous to absquatulate.
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so if Bigfoot runs away, is that Sasquatulate?
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Jeez!! Would you guys just eschew the obfuscation already?!
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yeahbut, one pn's type-3 is another's type-2.
Perhaps so. Nonetheless I'm sure you'd find much consistency among those similarly-inclined. Hence it might prove interesting if someone were to conduct a poll testing my assertion
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yeahbut, one pn's type-3 is another's type-2.
And someones type-2 may be anothers type-3. If type 3's are not in someones vernacular does the classification still apply?
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Sure it does, why not
Sorry, Maybe I don't understand the meaning of type-2, type-3. Is it to do with frequency? Some of the words used in everyday speech are not in common usage to some people on a regular basis. So to them the words could conceivably be classed as type-3. And vice versa, does a type 2 of yours or someone with a higher vocab become a type 3 for someone else. What is the distinction? In Cook Island Maori there are only words. No hard or easy words, just words.
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Perhaps a society rather than a coalition?
RSPCW: Radical Society for the Protection and Collection of Words.
It's impossible to definitively typecast (most of them can be typed, obviously - that's how they showed up on the screen) words since frequency, familiarity and spellability are dependany on the user, hearer and speller.
I might say in ward rounds that "knee flexion is a contra-indication" but to my patient I will say "don't bend your knee." Each is a perfectly usable, understandable phrase in it's own environment.
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I might say in ward rounds that "knee flexion is a contra-indication" but to my patient I will say "don't bend your knee." Each is a perfectly usable, understandable phrase in it's own environment.
Why "knee flexion is a contra-indication" rather than "is contra-indicated"? I'm asking from a position of the utmost ignorance, motivated by genuine curiosity.
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I might say in ward rounds that "knee flexion is a contra-indication"
Why "knee flexion is a contra-indication" rather than "is contra-indicated"? I'm asking from a position of the utmost ignorance, motivated by genuine curiosity.
Good question. I would think that "knee flexion is a contra-indication" would mean that if the patient bends a knee it would mean that there's something else that would be contra-indicated.
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Sure it does, why not
Sorry, Maybe I don't understand the meaning of type-2, type-3.
***2: them most folk understand but don't use much, eg, guffaw
3: Snooty words not used much in everyday conversation, eg, cachinnation
Is it to do with frequency?
***Only indirectly
... And vice versa, does a type 2 of yours or someone with a higher vocab become a type 3 for someone else. What is the distinction?...
***There isn't one. You're asking for a prescriptivist answer to a descriptivist question. But thank you for participating and again hearty welcome
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Olly, Dale has his own language, I think it's called Dalespeak. These distinctions are his and his alone. I'm not surprised you don't know them. 
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>a descriptivist question
perhaps we should refer to Dale's usage as [idio]synchronic.
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Dalespeak.
Quite nice. As a word.
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Dalespeak.
Quite nice. As a word.
Oh, I don't know. Kinda evokes Orwell's 1984.
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yeahbut®, with just a bit of thought, we all know what he means.
and that, kids, is how language develops.
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Why "knee flexion is a contra-indication" rather than "is contra-indicated"? I'm asking from a position of the utmost ignorance, motivated by genuine curiosity.
Just common usage. Either would be understood even tho' when I look at it grammatically Faldage is right. In common usage "a contra-indication" means "a no-no". Hmmm Now every time I hear it I will notice that it is incorrect and start trying to stop saying it.
Good timing, next week I have to do my Professional Self-Assessment for the college and come up with three goals for improvement. Maybe they'll accept that as one of the goals. Especially since I'm quite perfect itherwose. 
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yeahbut®, with just a bit of thought, we all know what he means.
Thank you eta. I would have though it obvious to everyone
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obvious to everyone It isn't to me. I never get any of those kinds of posts (about Type 2, etc.). And sorry, but I'm not going to take the time to try and work it out.
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Type 2: them most folk understand but don't use much, eg, guffaw
Type 3: Snooty words not used much in everyday conversation, eg, cachinnation
ain't too hard.
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its as easy as , um, well, its not easy.
it only works if everyone agrees to dale's catagories, and which words belong where.
otherwise it is meaningless. and of course, it is based on US vocabulary. (and one suspects REGIONAL US vocabluary at that.)
and why are unusual words 'snooty' (a word that convays a hint of snobish, or elite use?)
(there is the crab syndome at work here.. you know how crabs, packed in box not only stay in the box, but pull back any crab that tries to climb up the side and escape the box...)
use an unusual word, and it get labeled "snooty" (and no doubt the user of said word is snobby, one of elites that spiro agnew railed against. (no doubt its Un-American too, too, to use a word that isn't understood by the unwashed masses.)
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2) most folk understand but don't use much
3) not used much in everyday conversation
why not put an "I'm sure you'll all agree" in there, just to seal the deal?!
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