#187839 - 11/17/09 05:22 PM
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Carpal Tunnel
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This weeks theme is about verbs. I never looked close at the word 'verb'. But now that I did, there isn't much obvious action in the word itself.
verb
1388, from O.Fr. verbe "part of speech that expresses action or being," from L. verbum "verb," originally "a word," from PIE base *were- (cf. Avestan urvata- "command;" Skt. vrata- "command, vow;" Gk. rhetor "public speaker," rhetra "agreement, covenant," eirein "to speak, say;" Hittite weriga- "call, summon;" Lith. vardas "name;" Goth. waurd, O.E. word "word").
As far as I can see it is all about speaking. Not to be a chauvinist, cause I know now we are a shitty little country , but our word for verb is 'werkwoord'; litt.: workingword. I mean it shows what it means.
I mean it ìs the "part of speech that expresses action or being," but in this etymology(online) 'verb' seems to mean just word or call or command. Like as if a link is missing.
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#187851 - 11/18/09 08:27 AM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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Pooh-Bah
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I mean it ìs the "part of speech that expresses action or being," but in this etymology(online) 'verb' seems to mean just word or call or command. An etymology is often just a bare list of related words with minimal glosses. Latin verbum also meant 'saying, expression, phrase, sentence'. It was used by Roman grammarians to translate the Greek term rhēma) 'that which is said, spoken'. Aristotle divided words into two categories: ονομα ( onoma) 'name; noun' and ρημα ( rhēma) 'verb'. ( link). Grammarians, then as now, tended to use existing words rather than coin new ones.
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#187854 - 11/18/09 10:11 AM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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How would the interjection "word" be placed in a context, if I may ask that of tsuwm?
lookup word at OneLook and take the first link (AHD), then scroll down until you find INTERJECTION..
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#187855 - 11/18/09 11:58 AM
Re: verb
[Re: Jackie]
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sh***y little country I wish you hadn't said that. Nothing wrong with The Netherlands in my book.
And, that is interesting--that the word for something, well, verbal, is now used to represent action. And after the pictures you've shown me, as well as all the links to sites, monarchial as well, I was beginning to love it. Please don't downplay your country.
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#187858 - 11/18/09 01:02 PM
Re: verb
[Re: tsuwm]
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Thanks tsuwm and now that I was there I took the tiny trouble to import it: Word " Slang; Used to express approval or an affirmative response to something. Sometimes used with up." Aristotle divided words into two categories: ονομα (onoma) 'name; noun' and ρημα (rhēma) 'verb'. (link). This explanation makes sense, but the first sentence I read in your link made me laugh "verbum nullum fecit" Luke, if I did not love my country, (monarchy or no monarchy) I would not live there.
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#187874 - 11/19/09 11:08 AM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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I know it, Bran, just making sure (with or without monarchy.)
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#187987 - 11/25/09 12:44 PM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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Very personal matter, feelings. And different for each person maybe. Everyone's feelings are very personal. And it is very easy to hurt someone, especially in an anonymous site. But a person has control over themselves only, no one else, and if I choose to let someone hurt me, then that is my decision, no one can hurt me unless I let them. But I can still be offended, and have been on this site early on.
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#187994 - 11/25/09 04:59 PM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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This wasn't too long ago, but it seems some didn't see it or forgot: http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/187807/Re_big_old_affixesThis is Bran's reference to her "SLC", tongue firmly planted in her cheek! We all know she loves her native land, and for good reason. I, for one, am not worried about her feelings. Luke, I think you missed that thread! As an aside, I went to Amsterdam as a child, and have forgotten a lot, as children will, but will never forget staying in an inn below the waterline and eating rusks for breakfast. Although I somehow confuse it with Tivoli Gardens (we also visited Denmark and Sweden on that trip), we were captivated by Madurodam and it's moving cars and trains. I still have the pair of wooden shoes I wore out completely, and the little silver bracelet with tiny blue and white enameled "wooden" shoes on it. I'd love to go back some day! :0)
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#187999 - 11/26/09 06:44 AM
Re: verb
[Re: twosleepy]
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Ah! The bracelet you talk of refreshes my memory. Those were called "beggar bracelets". Ironically only children from well-off families had them right after the war. There were all sorts of little silver pendants you could hang to it. bracelet If you touched one of the tiny silver trinkets to admire it, you were supposed to give another one of those tiny silvers. ( does not explain the beggar thing imo ) That's nice you brought it up. As for Denmark, with a friend I made the round of 'Jutland' on bike once. 600 miles. Once we had a beer ( ol )( forget the / that had to go through it) at noon and never made it up the next hill. Bikes and beer are the worst combination.
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#188005 - 11/26/09 12:37 PM
Re: verb
[Re: twosleepy]
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This wasn't too long ago, but it seems some didn't see it or forgot: http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/187807/Re_big_old_affixesThis is Bran's reference to her "SLC", tongue firmly planted in her cheek! We all know she loves her native land, and for good reason. I, for one, am not worried about her feelings. Luke, I think you missed that thread! As an aside, I went to Amsterdam as a child, and have forgotten a lot, as children will, but will never forget staying in an inn below the waterline and eating rusks for breakfast. Although I somehow confuse it with Tivoli Gardens (we also visited Denmark and Sweden on that trip), we were captivated by Madurodam and it's moving cars and trains. I still have the pair of wooden shoes I wore out completely, and the little silver bracelet with tiny blue and white enameled "wooden" shoes on it. I'd love to go back some day! :0) I did miss that. Thanks for the update. And I know Bran's feelings for her country. I was speaking in general about letting one's feeling being hurt, even tho' I did quote her. It was a comment from my perspective, concerning hurting other's feelings. And I think the necessity of caring, without compromising one's values. Thanks again.
Edited by LukeJavan8 (11/26/09 12:43 PM)
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#188014 - 11/28/09 07:12 AM
Re: verb
[Re: BranShea]
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Would that be 'charm' in the sense of 'to put a spell on someone' or charm like sort of pleasing? Is there something like a tradition attached to it? Good question. Apparently both. And neither. It's a separate listing for the same word in the AHD4. They don't go into the history of the divergent meanings of the word.
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#188016 - 11/28/09 09:13 AM
Re: verb
[Re: Faldage]
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Charm from Latin carmen 'song' originally meant 'a verse said or sung to avert some supposed bad event' (14th century), cf. incantation. Later, it meant 'amulet, talisman'. Later (in the 16th century) it meant 'some pleasing quality', and in the mid-19th century it came to mean 'a small ornament attached to a watch or girdle'. First citation for the final meaning is a novel, LKook Before You Leap (1865) by Mrs Fannie Alexander [nee French, an Irish writer, 1825-1902], ( link to later edition). "How do you know?" asked Sir Frederic, laughing, and picking up a small charm in the shape of a heart, formed of malachite and gold, which, in nervously playing with, Miss Delvigne had detached from her chain.
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#188017 - 11/28/09 09:19 AM
Re: verb
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