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#185630 - 07/02/09 02:08 PM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: BranShea]
TitoMatito stranger Registered: 03/02/07 Posts: 21 Loc: Barcelona	Well, I was. And I also tried to keep it on topic. Then the definition came out buried in The List of Male Priveleges: "6. Male Gaze - Men's sexual perspective, embraced by society, normalizes ..." After that, I decided to respond to comments such as "but I don't think he really wants to know the answer!... If he would only look ..." etc. You know, participate in the discussion that everybody else was having. Hope I haven't caused any offense.
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#185634 - 07/02/09 05:23 PM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: TitoMatito]
olly addict Registered: 12/18/06 Posts: 603 Loc: Auckland, New Zealand	I saw no reason to be offended so none taken. I always try to interpret writing from the writers point of view but in doing so I inflict my interpretation onto the other persons writing. I will henceforth call this my 'External Male Gaze'.But hey, writing is such a fickle medium anyways. 6. Male Gaze - Men's sexual perspective Thats what I said based on the context of the original passage.
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#185654 - 07/03/09 08:46 AM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: TitoMatito]
BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 3338 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague	No. To boast is not to offend. I don't think this thread has gone political, but it has ended up in the same unsolved sort of confusion. I will stick to my initial internalized human gaze and work on that.
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#185656 - 07/03/09 09:05 AM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: BranShea]
wsieber old hand Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 991 Loc: Switzerland	unsolved sort of confusion I think it's a textbook example of http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/185632/the_pros_and_cons_of_jargon Post185632 Edited by wsieber (07/03/09 09:08 AM)
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#185657 - 07/03/09 09:23 AM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: wsieber]
TitoMatito stranger Registered: 03/02/07 Posts: 21 Loc: Barcelona	No intentions to boast, BranShea. Just offering empirical support for a personal observation. And, yes, I agree, this topic has spun out of control. But at least the question got answered. Eventually. Jargon. Yep.
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#185668 - 07/03/09 09:36 PM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: TitoMatito]
Jackie Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 10202 Loc: Louisville, Kentucky	gob-smacked I knew you were a Brit-speaker! :-)
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#185676 - 07/04/09 04:56 AM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: Jackie]
TitoMatito stranger Registered: 03/02/07 Posts: 21 Loc: Barcelona	Sort of. I'm a Virginia boy who's lived overseas for 15 years. A jack of all dialects, master of none.
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#185688 - 07/05/09 03:54 AM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: TitoMatito]
Zed Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/27/02 Posts: 2028 Loc: British Columbia, Canada	hmmm? "Gob-smacked" pronounced with a Virginia accent. Fascinating thought.
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#185772 - 07/10/09 07:45 PM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: TitoMatito]
piewackett stranger Registered: 06/29/09 Posts: 8	Yo, Dewd-O. Listen up. "Actually, piewackett, I did read Feminism 101 and it bored me. Thus, the no comment." Bored? Of course you were. The way the entrenched rich are bored when the perennially poor protest about being poor. The way white people who are never discriminated against are bored by black people who protest discrimination. To recap Mac-O here's, what happened. You asked a supremely ignorant question on a website not entitled Idiot’s De-Lite. I answered you, warning that the subject was a vast one, and not a simple one. “If you had just put up number 6 in the first place, everything would have been alright.” Maybe your reading comprehension skills are not up to par. It is not a simple subject, but apparently there are simple minds ”You see, when someone tosses out a request for a simple definition and you reply with an approximately 3000 word incoherent treatise." Once again Bub-O , that was from the Masculine Mystique, I didn’t write it. As for the list of male privileges being incoherent- perhaps to you they are. I understand them well. The oppressed always understands their oppressor better than the oppressor understands themselves. S-u-r-v-i-v-a-l. Was I not Y2K patriarchal patty-cake compliant for your ego stroking needs? Tough. You posted this on 6/29 “Being a specialized term, I suppose I'll have to join up with some psychology and feminist forums in order to get a handle on this.” THEN you posted this on 7/2 “Now, if I were searching for feminine or feminist views --as I sometimes do-- that would have been more than appropriate. Even generous, I daresay. (Though, I probably wouldn't have come to Wordsmith to find that.)” For your edification, Bucko- Feminist and feminine are not interchangeable terms. Typical male mind! You cannot help but change it every two seconds; must be your hormones controlling your little head and your big head, or are they one in the same? You ask about a political/sociological term and complain when you get a political/sociological answer. “Now, I think I'll watch a little porno before turning in for the night. Cheers.” Then- “Hope I haven't caused any offense.” Liar! Hypocrite! Repugnicant! J’accuse! Of course you meant to offend. There are real rewards for complying with the patriarchy. If other women or even (heaven forbid men) won’t call you out on this, it doesn’t mean you aren’t a total smeghead. You are. “Now that I'm a pig again, I can hardly get any privacy.” Are you trying to say you once had kinda sorta maybe had a moral compass, but it was so gosh darn hard to be an individual, so you caved and conformed to behaviors you knew to be wrong and repulsive? Poor wittle white dewd! O, the sufferings of the menz! When will it end? Please do stop comparing yourself to pigs, thus insulting my porcine friends. They are intelligent, sensitive creatures and only wallow in their own waste when forced to. You do it voluntarily. So, in conclusion, my diminished capacity Friend-O, As a member of a group who oppresses (I am white) I am hyper- aware of my privilege. I have had job opportunities, housing opportunities and a multitude of benefits from my “white passport" skin. This fact disgusts me. If I had asked an African -American person to explain to me a racist term I did not understand and they then attempted as best they could to answer me, here is what I would not do. I would not ignore them, then dismiss them, tell then I am bored, and then end the conversation with a “joke” using the N-Word as a punch line. But that’s me. It ain’t you, is it? That’s exactly what you did Tom-O, Harry-O, and above all Dick-O. "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” J Krishnamurti Edited by piewackett (07/10/09 08:30 PM)
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#185773 - 07/10/09 08:05 PM Re: Internalized Male Gaze? [Re: piewackett]
TitoMatito stranger Registered: 03/02/07 Posts: 21 Loc: Barcelona	yawn
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