#172095 - 12/15/07 03:14 PM
Links, hyperlinks, and sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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While I understand what a link and hyperlink are, there is a third kind of link which for want of a better name I call a sublink, and appears as a shorter version often also in blue with underline, usu a common word or phrase and which clicked upon has exactly the same effect as if it were the entire link Also am I not correct in assuming that the purpose of a sublink is not to save space on the forum's hard drive but to prevent the basic kind of link from overrunning a line, which isn't permitted on some forums, owing to inferior programming techniques. Actually is not the original link contained within the sublink so that the two together actually occupy more code than the original link alone I haven't sublinked the following because I understand WS' algorithm permits multiline links http://www.wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20245&whichpage=1http://www.wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20246
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#172100 - 12/15/07 05:21 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Carpal Tunnel
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as to your example links, they are of some interest to anyone who wonders about browser differences, as do I. Depending on how you have your window sized, IE7 may indeed interpret a longer link as multiline, and in this case breaks after the '?'. firefox, on the other hand, leaves everything on a single line, but utilizes a scrollbar to do so. If you don't currently see this in action, just grab the right edge of your browser window with your mouse and drag it to the left, thereby shrinking the window. p.s. to Faldo: I believe shortening a wordsmith link still works; the first number is the key.. wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/172095/
Edited by tsuwm (12/15/07 05:31 PM)
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#172101 - 12/15/07 05:34 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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Yes, tsuwm, I agree that both link and hyperlink are synonymous. As with many dahilian requests, I am sure he'll choose to ignore this, but here goes. There's something called a URL (uniform resource locator). You can think of it as an address (or locator) to something (or resource) on the Net (not just the Web). It has several parts: 1. The protocol (nope, Dahil, not the cabal of good old boys in cahoots with Bill Gates, but the http part). There are other protocols: e.g., file, ftp, https. Then comes a colon (:) and a couple of forward slashes (//). 2. The domain, that's the www period domainname period tld part: this is part of the stuff that holds the Net together and predates the web. The TLD (top level domain) is the edu for a university, com for a commercial business, etc part; the domain is like wordsmith in wordsmith.org; and, anything to the left of that one or more separated by periods is some specific machine within the domain. Then comes a forward slash. 3. Everything after the domain name and before the question mark (?) is a path that organizes resources on the particular machine (or host) specified in the domain name part of things. After the ? 4. There's a complicated syntax, but anything after the ? is basically data being passed to a CGI program specified by the URL. (Actually, there's also a # sign sometimes in there and that means a particular anchor within a HTML document that the URL points at. No, it's not a sublink, because no part of a URL is a link.) Again, please note that a URL is not the same thing as a (hyper)link. The HTTP protocol (that final protocol is pleonastic and upsets some but not others) uses something called HTML to mark up text and images into a web page. There's an a element that uses a URL as an attribute. The a element gets interpreted by the web client (your browser) so that the text it surrounds is underlined and made blue (or purple after it's been visited) by default. That's the hyperlink. Again a hyperlink and a URL are not the same thing. If you really want to learn more about this I can post some links to RFC (the standards docs that define what the web is).
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#172123 - 12/16/07 01:40 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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Loc: Apple Valley, CA, USA
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tsu, zm: I'm not sure they are interchangeable terms because I was led to believe that a hyperlink was a special type of link addressing several sites or forums at the same time but in other respects you're way head of me although I will try your suggestions one at a time, and thank you for all that It's not that I ignore it but that at 78 rpm I don't have that much time left to entertain new concepts and thus my aim is simplification not complexification but thank you profusely for your efforts which I am sure other younger and more patient contributors will find most useful Yes after 21 keystrokes addressing it, I surely am TMI http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=abbreviations+TMI&btnG=Google+SearchHaving specialized in that sort of stuff for years, my excellent No. 1 Son, a highly paid IT, had explained all that to me but of course in my advanced state of decay I can't remember it all, while he is only 33 rpm It's interesting that you should mention the blue underline, incidentally, because sometimes you don't automatically get it, much to the dismay of many of my email correspondents, until I inadvertently hit the Enter key and suddenly there it was God bless Bill Gates ----Yours pleonastically
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#172127 - 12/16/07 02:09 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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I'm not sure they are interchangeable terms because I was led to believe that a hyperlink was a special type of link addressing several sites or forums at the same time but in other respects you're way head of me although I will try your suggestions one at a time, and thank you for all that.Well, I'd say you're wrong. Having specialized in that sort of stuff for years, my excellent No. 1 Son, a highly paid IT, had explained all that to me but of course in my advanced state of decay I can't remember it allYou know, Dahil. I have been in IT (the field, not the person) for just over twenty years, where I have worked, professionally, as a writer, a programmer, and an instructor. If you can't remember what your son told you, why wouldn't you believe me? Or Faldage or tsuwm? A link is a hyperlink is a sausage. Link does have other meanings in the IT context: e.g., to link means to join together two or more object (binary) files (i.e., after compilation) into a single executable program, in Unix, a link (aka shortcut in Windows, alias in pre-MacOS X days) is an alternate name for a file. I've never really come across the term sublink, and think it is a Dahilian fata morgana. I've seen weblink and hotlink, both of which are pretty much synonymous with hyperlink and link. TMI == too much information
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#172129 - 12/16/07 02:28 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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zm, thank you for your infinite patience. I have sent a link of this thread, to my excellent No. 1 Son, who might translate it for me. And I do know TMI, as you will see above I provided a link that will explain it also to the uninitiated
PS: I was an electronics engineer in the days before the Web but if I described one of my inventions, eg a single pnp- or npn
transistor frequency divider containing no bistable circuitry but the R-C time constant in its base depending on conduction of the base-emitter junction at the peak of a pulse, polarity depending on the type of transistor, charging the coupling capacitor between the occurrence of subsequent pulses and thus providing a bias to as to prevent a fixed number of subsequent occurrences from appearing at the collector; you wouldn't know what I was talking about. Patent No. supplied on request, I'm dalehileman@verizon.net
My most sincer apologies to Fal for not having explained in sufficient detail what I mean by sublink.
But in 25 words or less could anyone possibly give me a single word for what I call sublink, that is a link curtailed, for example, so that it would occupy less space, or at least only a single line, in a post, s compared with the complete URL or link that it replaces. Usually, then, a sublink is a word or phrase almost always underlined to identify it as a kind of link so that the reader will know that he is to click on it, and as I have said, often blue in color as with the original, longer, link
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#172130 - 12/16/07 02:58 PM
Re: Links, hyperlinks, ans sublinks
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Pooh-Bah
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Loc: R'lyeh
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I was an electronics engineer in the days before the Web but if I described one of my inventions, eg a single pnp- or npn transistor frequency divider containing no bistable circuitry but depending on the time constant in the base circuitry depending on the base-emitter junction charging the coupling capacitor between the occurrence of subsequent pulses and thus providing a bias to as to prevent a fixed number of subsequent subsequent occurrences from appearing at the collector; you wouldn't know what I was talking about
But, the difference between you and me is that if I asked somebody who was an electrical engineer what the difference between a resistor and capacitor was, and she took the time to describe it to me in pretty much plain old English, I would not subsequently tell her, no, you've got it wrong, you see, though I don't really know what the difference is, and I know this because my grandson the electrical engineer told me something a couple of years ago about Leyden jars which I cannot remember at the moment, but I'm sure it contradicted what you said. You see: I would try to understand what she wrote. Then, I'd follow up by going to a reference work of some sort and reading up about it, and see if I understood what the difference was, and go back and look at what she wrote to see if I could understand what she was talking about, but that's just what I'd do.
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