#140309 - 02/27/05 04:41 AM
Joseph Campbell and One Eye
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 6296
Loc: Piedmont Region of Virginia, U...
|
I have read Joseph Campbell only in excerpts, but what I've read is consistent in getting across archetypes that are common to various cultures.
My kids are studying excerpts from the Odyssey, and I have wondered for a long time now what the Cyclops themselves could have represented on a spiritual or archetypal level. Why one eye? They are a group without rule, each one of them being a law unto himself with no higher law. Could the single eye somehow represent this? A limited point of view? All solo?
Just wondering...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#177081 - 05/21/08 09:28 AM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: of troy]
|
stranger
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 1
Loc: George Town Tasmania Australia
|
As a retired teacher with 35 years behind me and a zillion meetings attended from 1958 to 2008, I have come to appreciate the wisdom of Joseph Campbell and I post this prose-poem written as a quasi-eulogy for/to him.-Ron Price,Australia
-----------------------
ZONES
"Each individual," write Joseph Campbell, "is the centre of a mythology of his own, of which his own intelligble character is the Incarnate God, so to say, whom his empirically questing consciousness is to find."1 For Baha'is, it seems to me, this Incarnate God is the God within "mighty, powerful and self-subsistent." It is the "know thyself," from Delphi. This centre of mythology is also an unfolding of convictions derived from the effects and expression of experience, the imprintings of infancy and our peculiar and private worlds. This is what Campbell calls our "mythogenic zone." It is our interior life and its communication with others. The poem below explores the negative side of the process across our global society. -Ron Price with thanks to Joseph Campbell, Creative Mythology, Viking Press, 1968, p. 93.
This poetic writing aims
to let the Word resound
behind words1 seemingly
endless words where
my mythogenic zone
is especially informed
by the metaphorical nature
of all of physical reality,
Baha'i history no less
and lived experience.
My innermost need
to express has its place
in my shaping of self
and civilization,
in my particular form
of intoxication.2
And a growing impoverishment
of symbols, spiritual poverty,
symbol-lessness fills the land,
liquidating our past,
with bleak substitutes.
A bland barrenness reaches
all the way to the stars
and history becomes a nightmare
of complex, anarchic confusion,
uninterpreted, unassimilated, alien,
and: a Waste Land fills their place.
1 ibid.,p. 93.
2 Frederick Neitzsche wrote that "for art to exist there is a physiological prerequisite: intoxication." Twilight of the Idols, quoted in Campbell, p.355.
Ron Price
10 February 2002
----------
(updated for Wordsmith.org
21/5/'08)
_________________________
married for 41 years, a teacher for 35 and a Baha'i for 49
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177085 - 05/21/08 09:15 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: of troy]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1067
Loc: Tasmania
|
well totally non architypal, i read, that the early greek had seen skeletons of elephants (before they ever saw an elephant alive) and mistook the large front nasal cavity for an eye socket and 'constructed' the cyclops myth from that. (they had evidence of some large animal, that had mythical powers, never have seen one, and with only the skull to judge.. came up with cyclops.. I suppose that's possible of the really early Greeks, however, elephants (of both varieties) were well known to the Greeks, Persians, Carthaginians, Romans and others at least several centuries BC. It seems to me more likely the Cyclops was a literary creation, a fictional monster, rather than a legend pertaining to some real animal.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177086 - 05/21/08 10:49 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: The Pook]
|
member
Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 155
|
Let me throw in the sun and the moon, when viewed in unsettling weather or solar system conditions, as nominees for cyclops eye.
Edited by morphememedley (05/21/08 11:30 PM)
Edit Reason: prescientific (scientific as in astronomic) settings
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177095 - 05/22/08 01:03 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: morphememedley]
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 3387
Loc: Netherlands, the Hague
|
Let me throw in the sun and the moon, when viewed in unsettling weather or solar system conditions, as nominees for cyclops eye. It must have been puzzling a bit that on some days sun and moon are both visible in the sky.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177104 - 05/22/08 08:59 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: zmjezhd]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1067
Loc: Tasmania
|
really early Greeks
Homer, or whoever composed the Odyssey, is usually dated to the 9th century BCE. Yes that's why I said it's possible. But, why doesn't Cyclops have large tusks? All the author in question seems to be quoted as claiming is that "some sources" say the Cyclops has [presumably normal sized] tusks. What sources? Also of course, though it is most likely Homer lived ca 700-900BC we don't know for sure, since the earliest extant Greek manuscripts are around 2,000 years later, ca 10th or 11th century AD. It is certain that Aristotle taught Homer to Alexander the Great in about 343BC, but I don't know whether there are any earlier literary allusions to his works. It's possible, but I don't think it's possible to know for sure that the legend was based on ancient archaeological finds. I do find the other hypotheses more convincing, however, regardgin the Griffin, etc.
Edited by The Pook (05/22/08 09:01 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177107 - 05/22/08 09:16 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: Faldage]
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/01/00
Posts: 12381
|
FWIW, Robert Graves thought the whole one-eye thang was because they wore eyepatches, being blacksmiths and all, to keep sparks out of their eyes. Cyclops means (most likely) round-eye.<br><br> Looking back over The Greek Myths I see that Graves actually said they were bronzesmiths and that Cyclops meant 'ring-eyed'.
The Cyclopes seem to have been a guild of Early Helladic bronzesmiths. Cyclops means 'ring-eyed', and they are likely to have been tattooed with concentric rings on the forehead, in honour of the sun, the source of their furnace fires; the Thracians continued to tattoo themselves until Classical times. ... The Cyclopes were one-eyed in the sense that smiths often shade one eye with a patch against flying sparks.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177115 - 05/23/08 09:25 AM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: twosleepy]
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
Posts: 6596
Loc: Vermont
|
The Wicked Witch of the West had only one eye... erk?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177128 - 05/23/08 08:11 PM
Re: in regione cęcorum rex est luscus
[Re: zmjezhd]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1067
Loc: Tasmania
|
Come to think of it, wheel-eyed or round-eyed doesn't necessarily imply one-eyed. Maybe the Cyclops was like the dog with eyes as big as saucers in Andersen's The Tinder Box. He thinks so, does he preciousss, gollum gollum, perhaps he may be right preciouses, but what has it got in its etymological pocketses we wonders we does..." 8)
Edited by The Pook (05/23/08 08:11 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177131 - 05/23/08 11:21 PM
Re: in regione cęcorum rex est luscus
[Re: zmjezhd]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1067
Loc: Tasmania
|
but what has it got in its etymological pocketses we wonders
Cur? Ecce: Origines Sancti Isidori Hispalensis. Holy Spanish Goths Batman! ...um does this have some obscure connection with Smeagol that I am too dense to see? Or is it just one of your favourite sources? 
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177133 - 05/24/08 06:11 AM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: Wordwind]
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 3387
Loc: Netherlands, the Hague
|
They are a group without rule, each one of them being a law unto himself with no higher law. Could the single eye somehow represent this? A limited point of view? All solo?<br><br>Just wondering...<br><br>
"Achilles then cries against their clicking cameras and throws an imaginary lance.
It was the cry of a warrior who looses his one soul to the click
of a cyclops". ( Nobelprize winner 1992 Derek Walcott) The metaphor of the camera as a modern cyclops. Thinking of our news hungry hordes of camera men I like to link it to this quote from Wordwind.
Edited by BranShea (05/25/08 05:19 AM)
Edit Reason: addition
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177135 - 05/24/08 11:02 AM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 724
Loc: western NY
|
The Wicked Witch of the West had only one eye... erk? couldn't find "erk" anywhere...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177146 - 05/25/08 09:51 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: twosleepy]
|
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
Posts: 6596
Loc: Vermont
|
The Wicked Witch of the West had only one eye... erk? couldn't find "erk" anywhere... heh sorry, it was just a random expulsion. what's up with the WWW only having one eye?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177147 - 05/25/08 10:23 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]
|
addict
Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 611
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
|
what's up with the WWW only having one eye? Mebbe in her downtime she was a blacksmith! Apparently her good eye had telescopic vision, kinda like Superman but not.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177148 - 05/26/08 01:05 AM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]
|
member
Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 155
|
If she only had one visible eye from her witch-beginning (parthenogenetic or otherwise), could what would normally (to some) be the third eye have served as her second eye?
If she had one visible seeing eye and one visible apparently-blind eye, perhaps the latter was used for her dark arts.
Edited by morphememedley (05/26/08 01:11 AM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#177151 - 05/26/08 12:15 PM
Re: Joseph Campbell and One Eye
[Re: morphememedley]
|
old hand
Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 724
Loc: western NY
|
In the book, not the movie, she did not have green skin, and she had only one eye, not two or more with any non-functional. The one eye was, indeed, telescopic in nature, so she could see all of her realm in the West. When Dorothy and her friends set off to destroy her, she saw them coming from a long way off. There was no sneaking into the castle at all. She had a reputation for making slaves of those she captured. She had no idea who Dorothy was, but sent four waves of minions to dispatch them all, except for the Lion, as she thought it would be amusing to hitch him up to a cart. Dorothy escaped murder by the apparently visible mark of the Good Witch of the North's kiss on her forehead. By the way, the witch of the North remained nameless, the Good Witch of the South was named Glinda, and she did not appear until the end of the story, when Dorothy sought her out to go home.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
7151 Members
16 Forums
12706 Topics
187593 Posts
Max Online: 853 @ 10/23/07 11:39 AM
|
|
|
1 registered (Buffalo Shrdlu),
10
Guests and
24
Spiders online. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Search
Previous Topic
Index