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#93749 - 01/30/03 06:08 PM Re: entropy  
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Dear milo: no need to apologize. I just wanted to make clear that "entropy" is not bad
until there is little energy left. Like debt: ten cents debt is not a big problem.


#93750 - 01/30/03 06:09 PM Re: entropy  
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dxb, thank you! That was great! I really ought to try and find some tapes of them. I get the distinct feeling that I'm missing something grand. I think I'm going to have that rhythm in my head the rest of the day! Is there a tune?


#93751 - 01/31/03 08:57 AM Re: entropy  
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Oh yes, there is a tune. There is nearly always a tune.

If you haven't heard their words to the Mozart Horn Concerto then try this url:

http://www.hornplanet.com/hornpage/museum/articles/ill_wind.html

it is very, very clever and funny to hear.


#93752 - 01/31/03 01:59 PM Re: F&S  
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The link you supplied isn't working (for now, must be so many hits!!). Meanwhile, *which concerto? Mozart wrote four, that I know of....


#93753 - 02/01/03 01:33 AM Re: entropy  
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Guess what, guess what? I found a site where you can listen to Mozart--'most everything he wrote, it looks like. You can even pick which movement you want. I listened to this whilst reading the words! It surely must be a hysterical performance!
http://www.classicalarchives.com/mozart.html The horn concerti are about 3/8 of the way down.


#93754 - 02/01/03 03:36 AM Re: entropy  
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successfully navigated his first hurdle

I think I would have said negotiated his first hurdle.

And all the heat in the universe
Is gonna cool down,
'Cos it can't increase
Then there'll be no more work
And there'll be perfect peace


So, then, since heat is energy, and energy is heat, when all the heat finally cools down, where will all the energy go? Since there can never be any more or less energy than there is now (in this universe, anyway).
I really wanna know.

"There is no stoppage and never can be stoppage,
If I, you, and the worlds, and all beneath or upon their surfaces,
were this moment reduced back to a pallid float, it would
not avail in the long run,
We should surely bring up again where we now stand,
And surely go as much farther, and then farther and farther.

A few quadrillions of eras, a few octillions of cubic leagues, do not
hazard the span or make it impatient,
They are but parts, any thing is but a part.

See ever so far, there is limitless space outside of that,
Count ever so much, there is limitless time around that."


--Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

(hey, thanks, Walt, that's a good start!)






#93755 - 02/01/03 11:13 AM Re: entropy  
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where will all the energy go?

It doesn't disappear or anything, Juan. It just all spreads out so there's no difference from one place to the next. Most of space is in an incredibly high entropy state and with practically zippo heat. We just happen to be in a minuscule volume with low entropy. It comes down to the question : who're ya gonna listen to? Flanders and Swann or Isaac Newton?

http://www2.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/kenny/papers/entropy.html


#93756 - 02/01/03 05:29 PM Re: entropy  
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who're ya gonna listen to? Flanders and Swann or Isaac Newton?

I'm highly suspicious of anyone who uses an Apple to prove a point. Especially if it's got v10 installed ... so Flanders and Swann get the nod.

- Pfranz

#93757 - 02/01/03 06:04 PM Re: entropy  
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Dear Pfranz: Do you question the propriety of God's using an Apple to make a point
with Adam and Eve?


#93758 - 02/01/03 06:21 PM Re: entropy  
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Dear Bill: Durned tootin'!

- Pfranz

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