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#85944 11/11/02 01:36 PM
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> this despicable political party

.... and your alternative, Maurice?


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>Well, Shona, that was an article that said a lot but didn't tell me what I wanted to know: why was Bill speaking in the UK, and--what on earth did he say that was so seductive? PM me maybe.

Bill speaks in the UK all the time. He gets paid big money, I think around £100,000 a speech, although he might have spoken to the Labour Party as a freebie, he was probably dropping his little girl off in Oxford, en route, anyway.

He was called in to prove to the Labour faithful that their leader, despite appearances, had not got into bed with George Dubya but was playing a clever game to help save the world and he was the best man for the challenge.

According to Simon Hoggart:
"They adored his hatred of the Tories. "I want you to know - the 'compassion' is the rhetoric, the 'conservatism' is the reality." He flattered them. He flattered Tony Blair. He flattered them for loving Tony Blair, and they didn't even care that they don't."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour2002/comment/0,12294,803475,00.html


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As the old story goes, "If the answer is a choice between Tony Blair, Ian Duncan-Smith or Charles Kennedy, then the question must be stupid."


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QUOTATION: Every country has the government it deserves.
ATTRIBUTION: Joseph De Maistre (1753–1821), French diplomat, philosopher. letter, Aug. 15, 1811. Lettres et Opuscules Inedits, vol. 1, no. 53 (1851).

Thomas Carlyle, in Past and Present, bk. 4, ch. 4 (1843), wrote: “In the long-run every Government is the exact symbol of its People, with their wisdom and unwisdom; we have to say, Like People like Government.”
BIOGRAPHY: Columbia Encyclopedia.

No comment. dxb 2002.


#85948 11/13/02 11:40 AM
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I hate to think that you are right, dxb!

- - but I have a horrible, sinking feeling that you are


#85949 11/13/02 11:56 AM
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As an aside...for many years whenever I have visited Paris my hotel of choice has been located in the Rue Joseph de Maistre. It was only when I Googled that quotation that I discovered who he was! Amazing the unexpected places AWAD takes you.


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Do I detect a reference to the almost Orwellesque Thatcherite mantra "There is no alternative."

Demand the impossible.


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No...it's more like "a plague on both your houses".

Demand of whom?


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Would concur with the plague suggestion however it may be a question of the lesser of the two evils.

The demand should be placed upon these we elect to represent us.


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With our current bunch of clowns in Westminster, that includes just about any demand you care to make!


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