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How could one use mutatis mutandis in a sentence? I like the definition in AHD, but would be very hesitant to use the word for a variety of reasons, first and foremost, I wouldn't want to misuse it.
For the uninitiated (as was I till reading the dictionary this morning), it roughly means:
adv. having changes necessarily made
There's even an abbreviation: m.m.
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According to a site by that name, the phrase Mutatis Mutandis is Latin and means "that having been changed which had to be changed" or more commonly, "with the necessary changes"
AWADtalk was about to self-destruct by fastuous postings. Mutatis mutandi, we now have an administrator who can curb the abuses.
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Well, here's something from the Internet: 2. The provisions of Article 4, paragraph 2 and paragraph 3 as well as those of Article 5 through Article 7 shall be applied mutatis mutandis to the accreditation provided for in the preceding paragraph, and the provisions of Article 8 through Article 13 shall be applied mutatis mutandis to the person who has received the accreditation provided for in the preceding paragraph (hereinafter referred to as "accredited foreign certification service provider"). http://www.meti.go.jp/english/report/data/gesign3-2e.htmlMy comfort level with using the phrase just went up several levels. Best regards, W.W. M.M. upside-down
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W. F. Buckley is notorious for using this phrase (but not only). this is from an exchange of letters to the editor of the NYTimes:
He [Gary Wills] seems to be saying that anyone who failed to reach out to protest an anti-Semitic utterance should be estopped by history from sainthood, a constriction that, mutatis mutandis, would make difficult our canonization of Abraham Lincoln, given his declarations on Negro inferiority; to say nothing of the elevation of American presidents who actually owned slaves.
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Hey, WW: what sent your comfort level up, sent mine to the bottom.
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wwh:
I was being facetious [crossthread references: superplumes--drum major's hat; fastuous--parade, i.e., necessary drum major].
Beating cadences,
WW, m.m.
PS: tsuwm, thanks for the great quote from Words Forever Bucking, a truly quotable writer!
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mutatis mutandis
Oh my! I have heard this phrase before but never looked it up. It sounds to me like - well - it's because I know Italian... "mutatis" I rightly guessed to mean "change", but in Italian, "mutande" is underpants!!!!! So whenever I saw this I thought "changing underpants?????? why on earth would you make a Latin phrase for this?" (Of course I guessed there must have been another meaning but I can't get the "changing underpants" thing out of my head!)
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indeed, the meaning of "mutande" is something that has to be changed...often.
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Do we have such a word in English as mutande--a word that covers broad categories of terms and one that means that any one of the terms required changing (e.g., diapers, ideas, clothes in general, and so on)?
Things that need changing = ? in English...
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Do we have such a word in English as mutande--Well, I Roget'ed (hi, tsuwm! <eg>) temporary, knowing it wasn't right. What about provisional?
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