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#54424 01/30/02 02:47 AM
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I just found the following differentiation, and don't recall ever seeing the first term before. Do all you language experts use it?
Loantranslation: taking over of words from other languages without major changes in spelling, e. g. boss (Dutch), kindergarten (German)
Loanword: taking over of words from other languages by translating them literally, e. g. superman from (Germ.) Uebermensch, power politics from (Germ.) Machtpolitik, ecology from (Germ.) Oekologie


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I've used both terms Jackie, but the other way round. A loan translation (also called a calque) is translating a compound word or an expression bit by bit to make a new one in your language, while a loanword is a word taken over more or less as is.

So for example I believe an older German word for telephone is fernspreche (fern being a translation of tele and spreche of phone), which makes it a loan translation, while orangutan is a loanword from the Indonesian orang hutan (forest person).

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I agree with Bingley: a loanword is a borrowing, with the ordinary process of importing the word as is.

A calque is the usual linguistics term for the other, where the pieces are translated separately, then recombined, such as gratte-de-ciel and Wolkenkratzer for skyscraper. This is also what I understand by loan translation.


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For heaven's sake--I thought those two def.'s were "off"! Thanks, guys!


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Thanks for that URL, Jackie, there's a lot there for me to study, and refer back to often.

What is the proper term for the two words spelled "ear", one meaning hearing organ, and the other the collection of kernels on creal grains? Homonym doen't fit closely enough, it seems.


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Homonym is the word, Dr. Bill. Homograph requires that they be spelled the same but not that they be pronounced the same. Homophone requires that they be pronounced the same but not that they be spelled the same. Homonym expects that they be spelled and pronounced the same; they need differ only in meaning.


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Thanks. Faldage. My dictionary had weasel word "usually" suggesting there might be an exact word.


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My dictionary had weasel word

What I tell ya bout that dictionary, Dr. Bill?


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What is PIE, please, Sweetie?


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