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...on caffeine and sugar or whatever, I wouldn't describe myself as sleepy. Yinged out, maybe...Are there two forms (or possibly languages) of this word which "denote" the same state - the opposite of Yang. I know it as Yin. Therefore, I'd suppose the phrase would be Yinned out(sp?).(not that I would ever verbify a noun  ) I'm much more intrigued by this use of 'patina': Someone who is sleepy is someone who has a thin patina of sleep, someone not fully awake.
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I'd suppose the phrase would be Yinned out
Yeeahbutİ it just doesn't have the right edge to it.
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I see!(said the blind man to his deaf dog on a sunny night) It isso far Yin that the circumference has almost been *circumfed{sir-cumft}.
Or is that 'almost has'?
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patinar v. Sp. to skate
patino
patinas
patina
patinen
patinamos
To skate along the edge of sleep
and spin off into dreams.
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Great thread!...I found all the verb discussion of particular interest...thanks, everyone. My pet verb peeve right now is the saw/seen dilemma. We've discussed the natural evolution of language, and I agree there's no biblical scripture to prevent it from forming new nuance and patterns. But we always knew, we were always taught that I, we, or they seen it, was incorrect. And I still can't get used to it, and probably never will. The problem is that it's becoming so prevalent in usage it's beginning to sound correct, so much so that even educated people are now chiming in with it. No one corrects it...it's become acceptable now in most quarters, evidently. And, I hear it so often around me anymore, that once in a while (horror of horrors!  ) I even catch myself slipping out with it when I know better! And each time I want to kick myself. But it seems the process has become its own creature, and now there's no turning back. I seen the light!  I seen saw go away......
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The 've is understood.
No. Because seen in this context is usually used in an inappropriate tense, where saw would be grammatically applicable, using the past participle form instead of the past. If it was simply a matter of dropping the supporting/qualifying have or -'ve within the proper tense it wouldn't be as much an aberration. Using seen instead of saw in this context is akin to saying I eaten that, which, of course, requires the supporting have, instead of I ate that. But, as you point out Faldage, the fact that folks have taken to lazily dropping the qualifier in the past participle form of seen has helped it to sound "right" through repetition, and thus to wash over into usage in the improper tense as well.
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I('ve) seen that.
I('ve) eaten that.
In the first example the ('ve) is assimilated into the sibilant of seen. In the latter the ('ve) is between two vowels and has nothing to be assimilated into.
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I drunk, I blown, I drawn, I flown, I grown, I known, I sworn, I torn, I worn, I chosen, I driven, I fallen, I forgiven, I gotten, I given, I ridden, I risen, I shaken, I shrunken, I spoken, I stolen, I taken, I written
All these past participles require have or -'ve. Notice they all begin with consonants? Sibilant schmibilant.
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Where I live, the " 've" is not "understood" or assimilated: it isn't there in any form. I would bet money that the majority of people here who say, "I seen that movie" [gritted teeth e] have no idea that what they're saying is incorrect English. And for the minority that DO know it's incorrect, most of them don't care.
I cannot, of course, say with certainty that there've been no times when a speaker has elided the 've into the next word and I didn't hear it, but I will say that there have been many times when the 've IS audible.
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