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#47998 11/23/01 02:26 AM
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Keiva, this is most likely not a definitive link, but a quick search on Google produced this list of Old Testament apocrypha and pseudoapocrypha:

1 Esdras
1 Maccabees
2 Esdras (a.k.a 4 Ezra)
2 Maccabees

http://wesley.nnu.edu/noncanon/apocrypha.htm

...still wondering however.

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Dear Keiva and WW: here is a URL to a very readable book about Ruth. Truly a heartwarming story I had completely forgotten. I am grateful to you both.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13276a.htm (WW:see what Yahoo search box can do?)


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Thanks for the link, wwh.

Keiva, here's some more I've Googled about the apocrypha:


"Apocrypha
Pronounced As: pokrif [Gr.,=hidden things], term signifying a collection of early Jewish writings excluded from the canon of the Hebrew scriptures. It is not clear why the term was chosen. The Apocrypha include the following books and parts of books: First and Second Esdras; Tobit; Judith; the Additions to Esther; Wisdom of Solomon; Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus); Baruch; the Letter of Jeremiah (in Baruch); parts of Daniel (the Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Young Men; see also Bel and the Dragon and Susanna 1); First and Second Maccabees; the Prayer of Manasses (see Manasseh)."

http://www.encyclopedia.com/articlesnew/00627.html

Now what does this have to do with the culinary arts? Well, Ruth did gather all that grain... I remember having read that her mother-in-law's name meant "Bitter."

On another tangent, jmh told us about the electric frother. That's a great culinary item along with a capuccino maker.

Best regards, (you'd think I couldn't bear to think of anything related to cuisine after today's bellybuster...)
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No no, it is not your fault, but mine.

About pasta: nothing melliflous, just macchine per la pasta.
But the good housewife (NOT ME) is able to make pasta by hand, very quickly indeed, and from a ball of "impasto"= flour+water is able to make a large very subtle disc, by using a long wooden cilinder=mattarello.
When I was I child it was usual to make pasta in the house, but now almost no one does, nor has this skill.


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Thanks, Emanuela, for matterello, a truly lovely word I'll commit to memory.

I tried a search on Google for ["matterello" pasta] and found numerous entries. However, I found no photographs. Emanuela, if you read this thread again, what is the Italian word for photograph? I'll Google ["matterello" pasta+photograph(in Italian)]and should be able to pull up a link with a picture. The translate feature on Google helped a lot in reading many recipes in which the use of the matterello was used. Also, in just searching matterello without pasta, numerous sites about an Italian city, Matterello, came up.

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I found a picture searching for "matterello + foto".
Try http://www.marmotecnica.com/tagli.jpg
but that matterello is not the most common type. The simplest is just a wooden cylinder.
Both mattarello and matterello are used.


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Emanuela,

Thanks for the photograph. What I saw appeared to be a rolling pin. I've saved the photograph to my desktop photographs. The flour with the egg pool (I think they must have been eggs) speaks of promise, good things to come, anticipation... I wonder whether there's a word that describes that image of flour with egg. It merits one.

An aside, I saw a Fellini film years and years ago that had a lot of food preparation in it. It was one of the most delicious films I've ever seen in terms of the sight of foods to be prepared. There was a scene in which a kitchen table held many peppers--it was a feast of red and green for the eyes .

Oh, and here's a thread cross-stitch, a word from Mrs. Byrne I left on tsuwm's Fuzzle thread, but is appropriate here, too:

yill-caup n. -- an ale cup or mug.

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Sorry for bringing this back up, but I thought it fitting to lick the platter clean on the thread with tsuwm's "cattilate," Jack Sprat and all that on wwwttttwwwddd,,,whud evuh....

Also, I heard a Groucho Marx joke this morning that I will now butcher:

Marx flirting (times, they have a-changed...) with a woman: "I can imagine seeing you in a kitchen bending over a hot oven......
....only I can't see the oven...."

The Platter has now been licked,
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At my table, plates were never cattilated, they were dogilated, though not by a potlicker hound.

PS: Dear tsuwm: you caught me. My only defence is to bear my troubles like a man, and blame them on a woman. I copied WW, having forgotten your valued wwftd.

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catillate - if we're going to revive these old gems it seems critical to get the spelling right.


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