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Dear tsuwm: your interpretation makes sense.Now, how about the etymology of 'hoarding" in this connection?


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>how about the etymology of 'hoarding" in this connection?

good question. it's a different word, from the noun hoard which, for lack of a better description, is something akin to scaffolding.

1875 Parker Gloss. Archit., Hourd, Hoard, Hoarding, boarding used for protection...A term in military architecture for the wooden gallery, protected by boarding in front, which was thrown out from the surface of the wall in time of war, to enable the defenders to protect the foot of the wall.


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(I'm glad this is Miscellany and not Q & A, so I can go off-topic a bit.)
After some digging, Dr. Bill, I found out that I was right--the link you gave is indeed from Manitoulin Island, a lovely Canadian spot in Lake Huron. Thanks for reviving the memory of a great camping trip. :-)


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And you're suggesting, Jackie, that Q & A doesn't go off topic? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!


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And I don't remember anything about that island. But if it made you happy, Jackie, I'm glad I did.
I checked, and it is the largest fresh water island in the world.


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From Mrs. Byrne:

enceinte n. -- 1. pregnant. 2. the main enclosure of a fortress. 3. a fortified town.

...so, here's a chicken and egg situation. Did the adjective for pregnancy precede the fortification or vice versa?

Not that an enceinte is part of a castle, but close enough and not worth starting a thread over...


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windup,

I haven't LIU for this case, but it should be mentioned that Josefa doesn't differentiate between homonyms but rather just lumps 'em all together under one headword.

edit - well, they do rate separate headwords, at least as noun and adjective, but it seems they also are cognates related to the 'gird' concept; one being 'to gird' and one being 'ungirt'. maybe...

enceinte - n. [Fr.; f. on late L. type *incincta, f. ppl. stem of incingere to gird, surround closely.]
An enclosure; chiefly in Fortification

enceinte - a. [Fr.; = Pr. encinta, Sp. (written as two words) en cinta, It. incinta: —late L. in-cincta, explained by Isidore (6th c.) as ‘ungirt’, f. in- negative prefix + cincta, pa. pple. of cingere to gird.
[Others explain the word as the pa. pple. of incingere to put a girdle on, gird (the It. and Pr. forms of this verb being used for ‘to render pregnant’), or as phrase (late L. *in cincta = in cinctu) in a girdle. See Diez and Scheler.]
Of women: Pregnant. †privement enseint (legal AF.)


so if you buy pregnant as being ungirt, this is kinda, sorta enantiodromic, no?

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Enceinte for pregnancy comes from in-cincta, from in- prefix meaning not and cingere, to be bound. Referring, most likely to the wearing of loose clothes to either be comfortable or to veil the fact of the pregnancy.

enciente as a fortification means engirdled, from the verb incingere: to gird or surround closely.

Hree's one of those words that in effect has two opposing meanings.

Good catch, Dub-Dub

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hi teD! I was editing whilst you were... editing.


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