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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: tenemos qué desavenirnos #38066 08/09/01 02:39 PM A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A ...doesn't fall within the realm of my kitchen spanish knowledge. translation, please? and thanks for clearing that up; my meager french education obviously failed me as well. (see why *my kids attend private schools? so they won't have to embarrass themselves on AWAD someday=) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tenemos qué desavenirnos #38067 08/09/01 03:38 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 544 San Francisco, CA H Hyla addict Hyla addict H Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 544 San Francisco, CA tenemos qué desavenirnos literally "We have to fall out" figuratively "We must disagree" And, technically, que shouldn't have an accent, as that's the interrogative form. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tenemos qué desavenirnos #38068 08/09/01 03:46 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 que shouldn't have an accent Méa culpa. Never could remember when a word with a non-primary purpose accent actually® used it. Qué que Sí si Sólo solo Étc etc Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tenemos qué desavenirnos #38069 08/09/01 03:57 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 544 San Francisco, CA H Hyla addict Hyla addict H Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 544 San Francisco, CA Gótchá, Faldaje. I like étc., will have to adopt that also, gotcha is meant in the sense of "got it," not "got you" no more edits or clarifications Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Post deleted by musick #38070 08/09/01 05:59 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago musick Carpal Tunnel musick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: haftagotta #38071 08/09/01 07:55 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 W wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 But few idioms are Orphic. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tenemos qué desavenirnos #38072 08/10/01 10:58 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain Marianna addict Marianna addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain [disclaimer] What I am going to say here applies to the verb desavenir(se) as it is used in Spain. It may well be that it is used differently in Latin America, and in that case those of you who know/have learnt Latin American Spanish probably know more than I do about it. [/disclaimer] The verb desavenir(se) is both pronominal (i.e. has to have personal pronouns attached to it to complete its meaning), and reciprocal (the action is done and received by the different agents simultaneously). So, if Faldage says "Inselpeter y yo tenemos que desavenirnos", he's saying that he and Inselpeter have to disagree (or fall out) with each other, not with a third party. Let's hope this doesn't happen. If Inselpeter and Faldage as a pair want to disagree with someone else, some good verbs are discrepar and disentir. Bringing the post back to topic, in Spanish we can use use both forms tener que and haber de (derived from Latin tenere and habere), to express "have to". So, Faldage has several stylistic options to pick from: "Inselpeter y yo tenemos que discrepar" OR "Inselpeter y yo hemos de discrepar" "Inselpeter y yo tenemos que disentir" OR "Inselpeter y yo hemos de disentir" Sorry for the ramble. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tengo que dar las gracias a Usted, Marianna #38073 08/10/01 11:35 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 ¡Gracias para enseñarme! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: tengo que dar las gracias a Usted, Marianna #38074 08/10/01 12:16 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain Marianna addict Marianna addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain ¡De nada, Faldage! With all this super word knowledge going on around here, this is the little bit that I can contribute... so glad to help, if ever you have a query about Spanish. And no usted for me... tú is just fine... 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