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Page 5 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 > Topic Options #34283 - 07/02/01 10:42 AM Re: words within words Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13803 some resources now assign the rhetorical figure tmesis to this kind of affix. But then we see from the Goldwyn quote* that, while tmesis may be necessary for infixing, infixing is not required for tmesis. *"In two words, im possible." --Samuel Goldwyn Top #34284 - 07/03/01 12:29 AM Re: words within words Bingley Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/09/00 Posts: 3065 Loc: Jakarta In reply to: some resources now assign the rhetorical figure tmesis to this kind of affix According to The Oxford Dictionary of English Grammar it's the other way round. Tmesis is the older term and infix the more recent. Bingley _________________________ Bingley Top #34285 - 07/03/01 02:48 PM Re: words within words wwh Carpal Tunnel Registered: 01/18/01 Posts: 13858 Here's a link with some nice information about tmesis and related words http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/TMESIS.HTM Top #34286 - 07/03/01 02:58 PM Re: words within words Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13803 Good to know someone else is going through the same Quotation Mark Paranoia "Pay" no "attention" to those "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism". Top #34287 - 07/03/01 03:20 PM Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13803 According to Dr. Bill's source (http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/TMESIS.HTM) tmesis is interjecting a word or phrase between parts of a compound word... According to tsuwm's source (http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/1999/05/26.html) it's the act of splitting the word or words apart. So which is it? Don't make me use my OED Top #34288 - 07/03/01 03:48 PM Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? wwh Carpal Tunnel Registered: 01/18/01 Posts: 13858 Then tsuwm's source seems a bit remiss. Why would you just split a word, and then leave it that way? First you split, and then you insert. No ribaldry about it. Top #34289 - 07/03/01 09:01 PM Re: words within words WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/13/01 Posts: 4189 Loc: Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... those Nattering Nabobs of Negativism Thanks, Spiro T.!...the words of a true Vice President! Well, with that kind of support I will no longer worry about erasing the miles of Quotations from my tapes! """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" Top #34290 - 07/04/01 10:02 AM Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13803 Why would you just split a word, and then leave it that way? First you split, and then you insert. Ah, but they are two separate processes and the Goldwyn quote given in tsuwm's link does only the former. Not to mention that the original Greek means an "act of cutting". Or, that is, to quote our own ledasdottir and an early document cited by David Crystal in his Encyclopedia of the English Language a nother*, close quote, issue. *Once again Ænigma sides with you, so I rest my case. Top #34291 - 02/05/04 09:43 AM Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? jheem veteran Registered: 01/06/04 Posts: 1474 Loc: California Tmesis orignally refered to splitting preverbs (look like prepositions) from verbs. Greek, Sanskrit, and German do this. The split isn't really interesting on its own, but provides a slot for other words to interpose themselves. Tmesis comes from the same root as atom 'indivisible' (literally 'uncut'). Top #34292 - 02/05/04 12:30 PM Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/24/02 Posts: 7210 Loc: Vermont my god. 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