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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 5 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 Re: words within words #34283 07/02/01 02:42 PM 07/02/01 02:42 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 some resources now assign the rhetorical figure tmesis to this kind of affix. But then we see from the Goldwyn quote* that, while tmesis may be necessary for infixing, infixing is not required for tmesis. *"In two words, im possible." --Samuel Goldwyn Re: words within words #34284 07/03/01 04:29 AM 07/03/01 04:29 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta B Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley   Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta In reply to: some resources now assign the rhetorical figure tmesis to this kind of affix According to The Oxford Dictionary of English Grammar it's the other way round. Tmesis is the older term and infix the more recent. Bingley Bingley Re: words within words #34285 07/03/01 06:48 PM 07/03/01 06:48 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 W wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh   Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Here's a link with some nice information about tmesis and related words http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/TMESIS.HTM Re: words within words #34286 07/03/01 06:58 PM 07/03/01 06:58 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Good to know someone else is going through the same Quotation Mark Paranoia "Pay" no "attention" to those "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism". Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? #34287 07/03/01 07:20 PM 07/03/01 07:20 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 According to Dr. Bill's source (http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/TMESIS.HTM) tmesis is interjecting a word or phrase between parts of a compound word... According to tsuwm's source (http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/1999/05/26.html) it's the act of splitting the word or words apart. So which is it? Don't make me use my OED Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? #34288 07/03/01 07:48 PM 07/03/01 07:48 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 W wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh   Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Then tsuwm's source seems a bit remiss. Why would you just split a word, and then leave it that way? First you split, and then you insert. No ribaldry about it. Re: words within words #34289 07/04/01 01:01 AM 07/04/01 01:01 AM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel WhitmanO'Neill   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... those Nattering Nabobs of Negativism Thanks, Spiro T.!...the words of a true Vice President! Well, with that kind of support I will no longer worry about erasing the miles of Quotations from my tapes! """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? #34290 07/04/01 02:02 PM 07/04/01 02:02 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Why would you just split a word, and then leave it that way? First you split, and then you insert. Ah, but they are two separate processes and the Goldwyn quote given in tsuwm's link does only the former. Not to mention that the original Greek means an "act of cutting". Or, that is, to quote our own ledasdottir and an early document cited by David Crystal in his Encyclopedia of the English Language a nother*, close quote, issue. *Once again Ænigma sides with you, so I rest my case. Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? #34291 02/05/04 02:43 PM 02/05/04 02:43 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 California J jheem veteran jheem   veteran J Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 California Tmesis orignally refered to splitting preverbs (look like prepositions) from verbs. Greek, Sanskrit, and German do this. The split isn't really interesting on its own, but provides a slot for other words to interpose themselves. Tmesis comes from the same root as atom 'indivisible' (literally 'uncut'). Re: t flipping mesis: which is it? #34292 02/05/04 05:30 PM 02/05/04 05:30 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont my god. Dr. Bill was only a veteran... thanks for the update, jheemster! formerly known as etaoin... Page 5 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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