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#32295 06/18/01 04:05 PM
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Thanks, Rapunzel, yes, GQ it was. And yes, I had got dragged along despite my protestations that since I hated Trek and all that crud how could I possibly enjoy it - and then laughed my head off then and on several subsequent viewings! Obligatory language reference: did you like the joke about broken translation equipment?


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Why didn't y'all tell me this before? It was on TV the other night and I didn't watch it.

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A guy would have almost inevitably have said "...with four other guys...", whereas a *girl

but the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days.

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the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days.

When addressing a group, yes ("Hey you guys! Over here!"). When referring to other people in the third person, it still means "people of the male persuasion". At least to me, and all my friends.


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the word "guys" is becoming more and more gender neutral these days. says Rod

When addressing a group, yes ("Hey you guys! Over here!"). When referring to other people in the third person, it still means "people of the male persuasion". At least to me, and all my friends says Bean.

I find "guy" is without exception male. But in my community, "guys" is often used now in the third person to mean "our gang, group, crowd". Extending your example, "tell the rest of the guys we've gone down the pub". I have heard it often enough in a more specific sense -"the guys in my flat" for example - refering to all females, all males, or some of each, that I now check my understanding if the gender might be important and it is not clear from the context.

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'You guys' or 'You lot' is often used to show one is addressing a whole group, as in:
'What are you guys up to now?'
If the 'guys' is omitted then one can't easily discern whether 2nd person singular or plural is implied. It can, of course be said in a different manner, but then succinctness goes to the dogs.
This problem, like so many others, does not exist in other European languages.


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"people of the male persuasion".

Dear Bean: that phrase now covers several groups.


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Bean uses the phrase "people of the male persuasion"

The proper term for people of either sex is persons of gender.


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Thanks for that - LOL and dribbled my coffe over the keyboard, dammit


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The proper term for people of either sex...

Isn't that word "people?"



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