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Houston--Street or City? #31440
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In NYC Houston rhyms with house (mouse, louse). but when we speak of the city in Texas that is Houston (the first sylable is hue (as in hue and cry) or cue. But we are consistent.. one way for the street, an other way for the city in texas..

but we are not alway so consistent.. as an article in this week's New Yorker points out, we haven't reach consensus on how to pronounce the names of a highway and two bridges..
http://www.newyorker.com/THE_TALK_OF_THE_TOWN/CURRENT/?TALK_DEPT_OF_ONCE_AND_FOR_ALL

It this a NYC thing? or do you have place about town (or country) that have two alternate (and equally valid) pronounciations?



Re: Houston--Street or City? #31441
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Lived downtown in NYC for awhile...so I know Houston Street well, of troy!

In Atlantic City (NJ) they practice the same strange linguistic dichotomy with Arkansas Street...pronouncing it
'ARE--kansas' instead of ' ARE--can--saw' like the state...don't know why. Just a localism, I guess.

Which brings to mind this question...Why do we pronounce Kansas one way and Arkansas another? Anybody have the background on this one? ( I would assume it has to do with has to do with American Indian tribal language)


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The territory was called Arkansaw. I don't know whether it's related to Kansas at all. As it was (I presume, without checking a map) originally part of Louisiana, it could have been spelt Arkansas in French and retained the pronunciation Arkansaw.


Re: Houston--Street or City? #31443
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I recently figured out the Midwest's excuse for their insistent mispronunciation of my home state for which I depart anon... apparently there's some little burg in Wisconsin (I think) named Oregon, but they pronounce it or-uh-gone rather than the more melifluous (and right) or-@-gun.

Oooooooh it steams me when I hear or-uh-gone! Agreed, Geoff?


Re: Houston--Street or City? #31444
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Oooooooh it steams me when I hear or-uh-gone! Agreed, Geoff?

I'm amused when I hear folks from Eye-O-Way calling it Aura-Gone. Of course, with the massive population influx, THEY'RE RIGHT!


Re: Arkansas #31445
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Arkansas is a French variant of the Siouxian word Quapaw (also a tribe located in the area around the area where Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Arkansas almost meet, and, additionally, a town in northeastern Oklahoma, between Miami and Baxter Springs, Kansas). Quapaw means, literally, "downstream people." see http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/markansa.html

It seems that Arkansas retained the French pronunciation, while Kansas went with an English spin. The Arkansas River which runs from Colorado, though Kansas, Oklahoma and Arkansas, is pronouced like the state of Arkansas in Colorado, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, but while in Kansas, it is pronounced "Are Kansas". see http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=72271




Re: Arkansas #31446
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and do "Ouichita" Louisiana (where my niece is currently on exchange with the National Parks service), and Wichita have anything in common apart from the same pronunciation (I think)?

Rod


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Ouichita and Wichita

Dunno, but the early music group Ensemble Ouabache gets its name from the Wabash in Indiana.


Re: Houston--Street or City? #31448
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do you have place about town (or country) that have two alternate (and equally valid) pronounciations?

We have a river in New Hampshire called the Piscataqua.
And a group of folk have a club with the same name. You have to have Colonial ancestry to join.
However:
The river is the Pis-CAT-a-kwah.

The club is the Pis-cuh-TOCK-wah.



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Odd that both pronunciations supply a gratuitous S (???)


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