Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 3 of 3 1 2 3
#2977 - 06/04/00 08:21 PM Re: Translations  
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 112
David108 Offline
member
David108  Offline
member

Joined: May 2000
Posts: 112
Auckland, New Zealand
>>Many Sephardi Jews speak Esperanto, or Ladino, as well as English and/or French...<<

You're right, Anna, Esperanto has its origins in Middle Europe, but it seems to have spread rapidly all over the World. I'm not sure why Sephardi Jews use it as widely as they do - I just know that my grandfather, of Sephardi origin, was very keen for his descendants to adopt the language. He was something of a pioneer in his time, and obviously thought the language had important potential.

In meeting Sephardi Jews over the years, I have found many who speak Esperanto fluently. Sadly, I'm not one of them!

http://www.esperanto.net/


#2978 - 06/07/00 09:42 PM Re: Translations  
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 19
patatty Offline
stranger
patatty  Offline
stranger

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 19
Orange County Calif.
"Cyrano" is a perfect example of successful poetry (and prose) translation.
As a young boy, I read Brian Hooker's translation and was captivated for life. (I wrote originally "hooked", but scrapped it as distracting to my point.)
I guess I'll have to grab an Anthony Burgess to decide who did the better job.


#2979 - 06/07/00 10:18 PM Re: Translations  
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 19
patatty Offline
stranger
patatty  Offline
stranger

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 19
Orange County Calif.
Anna -
Thank you for that Hearsay site.
I haven't explored it all, but what I did scan reminded me of the remarkable phraseology in the letter below. Maybe I'll submit it to them as well.

Taken from a Tokyo dunning letter to an American customer:

“Dear Sir:
If you fail to manufacture your ancient payment soonest, we shall take such steps as to cause you the utmost
damned astonishment!
Cordially,
(signed)”



#2980 - 06/09/00 12:20 AM Re: Translations  
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Jackie Online content
Jackie  Online Content

Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Louisville, Kentucky
>>Taken from a Tokyo dunning letter to an American customer:

“Dear Sir:
If you fail to manufacture your ancient payment soonest, we shall take such steps as to cause you the utmost
damned astonishment!
Cordially,
(signed)” <<

It seems to me that most of the Oriental languages are much more difficult to translate to and from just about any
European language than the European ones are to each other.
They seem to require a whole new mindset.
This one reminds me of the cockamamie chicken story in
another thread.





#2981 - 06/09/00 02:49 PM Re: Esperanto/Ladino  
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
AnnaStrophic Offline
Carpal Tunnel
AnnaStrophic  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
lower upstate New York
>>In meeting Sephardi Jews over the years, I have found many who speak Esperanto fluently.

David, that's fascinating! Thanks for that. I guess Esperanto is more adaptable to neologisms than is Ladino, and could well serve as a lingua franca .
Now I have another question: is the Ladino spoken by Sfardis the same as the Ladino (Rhaeto-Romansch) spoken in parts of Switzerland?


#2982 - 06/09/00 02:57 PM Re: Translations  
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
AnnaStrophic Offline
Carpal Tunnel
AnnaStrophic  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
lower upstate New York
Patatty,

Thanks for that chuckle. I hope you do submit it, it's a true gem.


#2983 - 06/09/00 07:38 PM Re: Esperanto/Ladino  
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 112
David108 Offline
member
David108  Offline
member

Joined: May 2000
Posts: 112
Auckland, New Zealand
>>is the Ladino spoken by Sfardis the same as the Ladino (Rhaeto-Romansch) spoken in parts of Switzerland?<<

Good question, Anna - I have no idea! The following answer comes from GuruNet:

Ladino:
A Romance language with elements borrowed from Hebrew that is spoken by Sephardic Jews especially in the Balkans.
Also called: Judeo-Spanish.

That is new to me: I always believed that Ladino was confined to Western Europe - France, Spain, Portugal.

It must have a relationship, being in the right geographical area.


Page 3 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Jackie 

Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,877
Posts223,578
Members9,003
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
bpatterson0032, Aladitya_khan, JdawgGaming, Hiteshi, JaneJane
9003 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 47 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters(All Time)
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
tsuwm 10,538
LukeJavan8 8,875
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2017 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.016s Queries: 13 (0.003s) Memory: 2.7013 MB (Peak: 2.8100 MB) Zlib disabled. Server Time: 2017-05-26 03:33:03 UTC