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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 1 of 2 1 2 Lewis Carroll anagram #196932 02/03/11 09:46 AM 02/03/11 09:46 AM Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Z zeroid OP stranger zeroid   OP stranger Z Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Some say that the anagram 'eleven plus two = twelve plus one" is due to Lewis Carroll. Can anyone supply the exact reference, please? Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid] #196934 02/03/11 12:11 PM 02/03/11 12:11 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 I've learned one interesting thing. An anagram of this sort, where the anagram and the original are identical in meaning, is called an anugram(!). I couldn't find anything to suggest that this particular anugram is due to either Lewis Carroll or Charles Dodgson. eleven plus two.. [Re: Faldage] #196938 02/03/11 02:43 PM 02/03/11 02:43 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass okay, this is widely quoted as an example of an 'anugram' (and I note that Anu glosses it in his anagrams odds & ends with not so much as a hint of explanation or even a smirk). but, while not having done any extended research, I didn't note any *other examples. Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm] #196939 02/03/11 03:13 PM 02/03/11 03:13 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass here are some "clever" anagrams, some of which may be true: clever? true?? the comments to this list include claims for origin/dates, and one such claim is this: Eleven plus two = Twelve plus one. Melvin O. Wellman, 1948 here's some support for the Wellman claim: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-118185171.html anyone care to verify the following? To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. = In one of the Bard’s best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten. Last edited by tsuwm; 02/03/11 03:21 PM. Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: Faldage] #196956 02/03/11 09:02 PM 02/03/11 09:02 PM Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Z zeroid OP stranger zeroid   OP stranger Z Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Is called an 'anugram' by whom? Not me, and I think I'm entitled to an opinion. The following two Spanish anagrams are my own: uno + catorce = cuatro + once (1 + 14 = 4 + 11) and dos + trece = tres + doce (2 + 13 = 3 + 12)[first pub. in Word Ways, Feb 1992, Vol 25, No 1]. But I would still like to know who is responsible for two + eleven = one + twelve. Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid] #196957 02/03/11 09:07 PM 02/03/11 09:07 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass one is left to assume, then, that you don't buy Wellman?! Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm] #196958 02/03/11 09:52 PM 02/03/11 09:52 PM Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand olly old hand olly   old hand Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand anyone care to verify the following? its all here tsuwm = Hamlets wit rules Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: olly] #196961 02/04/11 02:06 AM 02/04/11 02:06 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky OMG! OLLY! You are WONderful, sir! Hands down winnah and hats off to you! Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm] #196980 02/04/11 10:45 AM 02/04/11 10:45 AM Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Z zeroid OP stranger zeroid   OP stranger Z Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Okay Joe, many thanks for the link. Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: zeroid] #197007 02/05/11 03:27 AM 02/05/11 03:27 AM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,964 Worcester, MA W wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel wofahulicodoc   Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,964 Worcester, MA minimalist anugram: YEA = AYE Page 1 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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