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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 1 of 2 1 2 #196932 - 02/03/11 09:46 AM Lewis Carroll anagram   Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 zeroid stranger zeroid   stranger Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Some say that the anagram 'eleven plus two = twelve plus one" is due to Lewis Carroll. Can anyone supply the exact reference, please? #196934 - 02/03/11 12:11 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid]   Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 I've learned one interesting thing. An anagram of this sort, where the anagram and the original are identical in meaning, is called an anugram(!). I couldn't find anything to suggest that this particular anugram is due to either Lewis Carroll or Charles Dodgson. #196938 - 02/03/11 02:43 PM eleven plus two.. [Re: Faldage]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass okay, this is widely quoted as an example of an 'anugram' (and I note that Anu glosses it in his anagrams odds & ends with not so much as a hint of explanation or even a smirk). but, while not having done any extended research, I didn't note any *other examples. #196939 - 02/03/11 03:13 PM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass here are some "clever" anagrams, some of which may be true: clever? true?? the comments to this list include claims for origin/dates, and one such claim is this: Eleven plus two = Twelve plus one. Melvin O. Wellman, 1948 here's some support for the Wellman claim: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-118185171.html anyone care to verify the following? To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. = In one of the Bard’s best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten. Last edited by tsuwm; 02/03/11 03:21 PM. #196956 - 02/03/11 09:02 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: Faldage]   Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 zeroid stranger zeroid   stranger Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Is called an 'anugram' by whom? Not me, and I think I'm entitled to an opinion. The following two Spanish anagrams are my own: uno + catorce = cuatro + once (1 + 14 = 4 + 11) and dos + trece = tres + doce (2 + 13 = 3 + 12)[first pub. in Word Ways, Feb 1992, Vol 25, No 1]. But I would still like to know who is responsible for two + eleven = one + twelve. #196957 - 02/03/11 09:07 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass one is left to assume, then, that you don't buy Wellman?! #196958 - 02/03/11 09:52 PM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 olly old hand olly   old hand Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand anyone care to verify the following? its all here tsuwm = Hamlets wit rules #196961 - 02/04/11 02:06 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: olly]   Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Jackie Jackie   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky OMG! OLLY! You are WONderful, sir! Hands down winnah and hats off to you! #196980 - 02/04/11 10:45 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 zeroid stranger zeroid   stranger Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 The Netherlands Okay Joe, many thanks for the link. #197007 - 02/05/11 03:27 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: zeroid]   Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,883 wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel wofahulicodoc   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,883 Worcester, MA minimalist anugram: YEA = AYE Page 1 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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