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yet another enantiodrome #208205
12/04/12 04:50 PM
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here's a word that has undergone recent enantiodromia: nonplussed

In standard use, nonplussed means 'surprised and confused'. In North American English , a new use has developed in recent years, meaning 'unperturbed'--more or less the opposite of its traditional meaning. This new use probably arose on the assumption that non- was the normal negative prefix and must therefore have a negative meaning. Although the use is common, it is not yet considered standard.
- New Oxford American Dict.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: tsuwm] #208206
12/04/12 07:23 PM
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Though interesting may be this change of meaning I am nonplussed in both its actual meanings about the fact. Words turn their cloack as easily as politicians. I've looked up the other word you smuggeled in: enantiodromia ( never heard it before and sounding very Greekish to me)

Enantiodromia. Literally, "running counter to", referring to the emergence of the unconscious opposite in the course of time. This characteristic phenomenon practically always occurs when an extreme, one-sided tendency dominates conscious life; in time an equally powerful counterposition is built up, which first inhibits the conscious performance and subsequently breaks through the conscious control. (from Wikipedia)

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: tsuwm] #208207
12/05/12 12:21 AM
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I would say the meaning is not inherently obvious however you interpret the prefix non-.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: Faldage] #208208
12/05/12 12:33 AM
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well, non plus is Latin for 'no more' and we originally had the noun 'nonplus', meaning a state in which no more can be said or done; then came the verb nonplus, to bring to a nonplus or standstill; to perplex, confound - et voila, much later, it is reinterpreted as not perplexed, or unperturbed.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: tsuwm] #208214
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As I said, not inherently obvious. Not to your normal modern speaker.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: Faldage] #208215
12/05/12 05:55 PM
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stay with bemused, then.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: tsuwm] #208216
12/05/12 10:29 PM
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before I knew the meaning of the word. I thought it meant 'not bothered'

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: olly] #208223
12/06/12 11:01 AM
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Didn't know it either, but the information was right here. We use non plus ultra for expressing the very best

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: tsuwm] #208225
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Originally Posted By: tsuwm
stay with bemused, then.


Bemused has its own problems. Too much crosstalk with amused.

Re: yet another enantiodrome [Re: Faldage] #208239
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If I run out of inspiration, am I demused? [/inocent-face icon]


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