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PRONUNCIATION:(pro-KUM-buhnt) MEANING:adjective: 1. Lying face down; prone; prostrate. 2. Of a plant: Growing along the ground without putting new roots. Must criticize the definition's information " without putting new roots" One of my favorite procumbents "sweet woodruff" is definitely spreading through rooting stems. Furthermore it's been called 'a nuisance plant' by the City of Portland.  Sweet woodruff is an old kitchen garden herb, lovely to add to salads or added to white wine it gives 'May wine' a lovely flavour.(it flowers in May) Dried it used to be added to pillows for a restful sleep. (common name in Dutch is Lievevrouwenbedstro-Sweetladiesbedstraw) I must protest against the City of Portland. * as the rooting system is very light it can easily be controlled. Name: Sweet woodruff; Galium odoratum
Invasive Status: Invasive in Oregon, other Pacific Northwest states. Listed by the City of Portland as a nuisance plant.
Description: Perennial, procumbent herb, grows to 12 inches. Whorled leaves are fine-textured and deep green. Clustered flowers are white and produce small fruits.
Invasive Characteristics: Spreads through rooting stems. Noted to be invasive under conditions where moisture is adequate during the summer. Photo Credit: Oregon State University 
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One never knows what a jurisdiction will call a nuisance.
We have "noxious" weeds here, too, and I love them.
Our State Flower is a weed by most definitions, goldenrod,
horrible to have around allergic folks, yet it grows
everywhere. I had some in my hard, 8 feet tall last summer.
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Of course. Yes, goldenrod is invasive but not procumbent and it roots real awfully deep. Still a wonderful flower.
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No, it's not procumbent, I was just commenting on the city and
its actions. That flower you posted really is pretty. I'd
like some.
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Ha! I wanted to be mad at something anyway and why not at the City of Oregon? 
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I for one enjoyed your venting.
May it always make you feel better. It does me.
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It was masterfully done a good vent does one good, I myself had one last night at a friend who refused to believe that A Christmas Carol was, infact, science fiction...
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I may have been a little young when I first saw it, but
I had nightmares after seeing it.
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Have you read the original novel? Not quite as creepy as the film's Ghost of chritmas future but...
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No I haven't.
There are certain works of Literature, that I unfortunately
saw on video/movie that I don't care about reading, when
there is so much out there I want to read. It's like I
just don't want to waste time on them.
Scrooge, being one, Wizard of Oz, another, Alice in
Wonderland, a third.
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I would recommend reading Alice and Through the looking glass because they are sooo much better than any of the films...so much is missed out and lost when not seen written down...the others are not so different from their films...
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I did waste an entire weekend on Moby Dick for a high
school course, and I will never forgive myself for it.
Too many pages on blubber, spears, etc. no story line
for virtual chapter after chapter. What a waste. Wish
I'd got Cliff's notes for it.
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I would recommend reading Alice and Through the looking glass because they are sooo much better than any of the films...so much is missed out and lost when not seen written down...the others are not so different from their films... Posted mine while your's appeared. Maybe some day. I just keep seeing Disney's cute little girl in blue dress and a stupid cat, and rabbit. Yuck.
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Yes Disney did rather ruin the story...the difference is somewhat akin to own brand chocolate and Cadburys Dairy Milk chocolate or "not actually sugar" sugar and real sugar...
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Sounds delicious. (I absolutely hated Alice in the
Disney form, but someone took me to the theatre/theater
and I had to stay until the end. But I was just a boy
and maybe it was the girl-hero/heroine thing, and I was
not ready for it, or maybe because I loved animals and
(except cats) could not take the silly anthromorphizing
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The book is totally crazy, but in a good way...slightly creepy but very well devised. I am always surprised that so few people actually read it, either because they don't like the film or because they like the film and can't be bothered to read the books...I recently saw an excellent production of both Wonderland and Looking Glass that did absolute justice to the fantastical language, poetry and characters...Disney totally got hold of the wrong end of the stick when they "adapted" it (bowdlerised more like!) the chapters add to a sense of 'lost in a strange place' that Alice feels...Wonderland comes across as dangerous place indeed at times...
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What is the difference between the two? Alice/Looking Glass?
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Ahah! Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is the first book which ends on a bit of a cliffhanger and Alice Through the Looking Glass is the sequel, they are often put together as Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass often the films steal bits from both books and combine them which is terrible for you if you have read the book - characters pop up who shouldn't even be found yet! (the Tweedle brothers are a good example)
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apropos of nothing much: I recently received a Kindle and was pleased to discover that classics that are in the public domain can be downloaded gratis - so far I've read Bram Stoker's Count Dracula (for the first time), am rereading Dumas' Count of Monte Cristo, and Alice is up next.
I will *not be reading The Whale, no matter the cost. (I've tried twice; I was much older the second time and quit on it much sooner - I think I've matured in my reading habits.) read Philbreck's In the Heart of the Sea if you want to read something about whaling that's very well-written - it's about the actual loss of the Essex.
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Ahah! Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is the first book which ends on a bit of a cliffhanger and Alice Through the Looking Glass is the sequel, they are often put together as Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass often the films steal bits from both books and combine them which is terrible for you if you have read the book - characters pop up who shouldn't even be found yet! (the Tweedle brothers are a good example) That shows my complete disinterest in Alice, I thought they were the same thing like Hobbit and TABA. Thanks for the update in my education.
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yes...it happens to me a lot  Vanity Fair is my problem book...it is good and all it just takes so long to get through what with all the convoluted sentences and I tend to buy/ find other books to read at the same time and then lose my place in VF (something which only happens to that book strangely enough!) and so I have to start over...
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problem books:
I think I've mentioned most of these here before, but these remain unfinished from more than one try (and probly always will)..
Moby Dick, or The Whale
Don Quixote (at least I get further with this each try)
Remembrance of Things Past (or, In Search of Lost Time)
Gravity's Rainbow
and I think there's a couple more, which I finally stored away.
..oh, and I haven't given up just yet on Joyce's Ulysses.
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The writing of Lewis Carroll is not just story telling. It's the cleverest and most amusing juggling with language and mind. It's not particulary for children, though clever children above the age of 8 who love words are capable to grab the fun.
I read it when I was 14 and Alice has been a favorite all my life.
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I'm really glad you enjoyed it. I think the cartoon
spoiled it for me, tho' I suppose I could give it a try.
Bex thinks so too.
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here's a nice e-book edition of AiW that doesn't require any special reader thingy: Alice
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problem books:......
Moby Dick, or The Whale.......
I started to read this, but gave up on it. I couldn't get over the fact they they were harpooning whales. My sympathy is always with the whale.
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Y'all shouldn't dismiss Melville out of hand based on his later work. Read Typee and Omoo (I forget which is first). They are quite readable.
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here's a nice e-book edition of AiW that doesn't require any special reader thingy: Alice I've saved this, may try it out.
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Y'all shouldn't dismiss Melville out of hand based on his later work. Read Typee and Omoo (I forget which is first). They are quite readable. It was required reading for my class. I did not think it would ever end. I've read the others as well, and don't dismiss Melville at all. I just could not take all the whale blubber usage and other materiels of that nature. I assigned Melville as a teacher, but not Moby.
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I don't remember any whale blubber in Typee or Omoo. They're about his jumping ship on some South Pacific island and being captured and kept as a pet white man by a cannibal tribe.
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I don't remember any whale blubber in Typee or Omoo. They're about his jumping ship on some South Pacific island and being captured and kept as a pet white man by a cannibal tribe. I agree. Those are good novels. I was referring to Moby.
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Ulffffffff...[dragging thread back on topic e]
So: is pro- the opposite of re-, then?
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Ulfffffff.....I hope you are not choking on something.
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From this week's AWADmail issue: The dentist says:
"Funny that the dental usage wasn't included. In orthodontics we call teeth that are tipped forward procumbent. Recumbent means tipped backwards."
His answer to your question would be yes.
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Uffffff (pronounced ooofff) is an Indian (sub continental) interjection used to denote exasperation, but Jackie used "Ullffff."
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I see. Interesting. Thanks. Learn lots here, that's for sure.
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Yes; that was my grunting at the effort. 
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Grunting in English or Goan, whatever works.
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I use grrrrrrrrrrr..... for grunt and in several languages this is well understood.
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We have Tony the Tiger who says:
"Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..eat"
and that means the cereal, it is REEEEEAAAAly great!
The grunt becomes approval (of sorts).
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back a bit to the subject..... I like to be procumbent when reading 
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Me? Recumbant. Procumbant hurts my back. I did as a kid,tho'.
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