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Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis] #195073
12/16/10 01:43 PM
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Today's quote, "Like a horny sightless woman on a blind date, she begins to knead her heavy friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Leptorrhine nose ... kumquat-headed ...'", contains a pleonasm.

Re: Pleonasm [Re: LadyReader] #195084
12/16/10 05:25 PM
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WELCOME, LADYREADER


----please, draw me a sheep----
Re: Pleonasm [Re: LadyReader] #195087
12/16/10 08:27 PM
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Well spotted wink

Re: Pleonasm [Re: olly] #195100
12/17/10 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: olly
Well spotted wink


Dunno. Leptorhine is an adjective and lepto- is a combining form. You can't really say "Like a horny sightless woman on a blind date, she begins to knead her heavy friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Leptorrhine ... kumquat-headed ...'" or "... friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Lepto nose ... kumquat-headed ...'"

As for instances of ATM without the machine or PIN without the number, sure you'll run into those in the wild. They don't make ATM machine or PIN number wrong even if context makes it clear what you're talking about without the machine or number. Even with context there can be confusion.

Teller at the bank, helping a confused customer with his ATM card: "Do you have your PIN?"

Customer: "Yes ma'am. Rat cheer in mah pocket. It's a BIC."

Re: Pleonasm [Re: Faldage] #195102
12/17/10 04:42 AM
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Rat Ahem. That should be raht. Rat is pronounced ray-ut.

Re: Pleonasm [Re: Jackie] #195108
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I'm spelling using SWE conventions. If I'd meant it to be pronounced ray-ut I'd've spelled it ray-ut.

Re: Pleonasm [Re: Faldage] #195112
12/17/10 02:54 PM
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this too shall pass
and if I'd've meant PIN to be pronounced 'pen'.. well, I didn't, because it's just not, here.

Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis] #195119
12/18/10 12:55 AM
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The argument that there's other ways of saying it without confusion so the way you're saying it is wrong is a non-starter. There's always other ways of saying it.

Re: grammaticasters of the whirled peace untie [Re: RonDavis] #195128
12/18/10 02:22 PM
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Nobody has said yet what exactly is wrong with redundancy. It seems useful to me. Sometimes its inflectional concord between words (which is a requirement of some languages and its absence would signal a grammatical error); sometimes it's for rhetorical effect (and we're all for that where and when appropriate); sometimes it's to avoid ambiguity (which seems a good thing, too); and sometimes it's something which annoys a select group of speakers (who usually seem wrong about other aspects of language, so I'd say it's something to do with them and not the language)..


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
Re: grammaticasters of the whirled peace untie [Re: zmjezhd] #195133
12/19/10 02:34 AM
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This subject came up in the context of pilotless drones back almost 4 years ago on Language Log. They do a pretty good job of discussing the nature of modification.

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