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it's one of those words that Pete defines, and then gives examples of the trope, rather than citations for the word itself
It's one of the things that separates the cream from the chaff, lexicographically speaking.
For what it's worth, I took a quick spin through oneof the editions of Du Cange's Glossarium mediae et infimae Latinitatis, digitized by and online at the National French Library, but found nothing under soeresmus or soresmus.
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here's the totality of Pete's entry(s), with Spanish, French, and Latin examples:
SOERESMUS trope/spanish The mierda, as the saying in bastardized local lingo went, had really hit the abanico. Nichols, The Magic Journey, p. 56.
SOERESMUS trope/french the use of foreign words and phrases mixed with your own language's text. Also called "macaronics" and "mingle mangle" which is often a more apt phrase "Dieu caillou les corbeaux!" he cried aghast "Regardez sa chevelure! She 'as flipped 'er wig! What do I see, me? Un moment, ma belle brun, le next une bébé peroxide! C'est trop fort!* * fractured French for God stone the crows, Look at her hair, my beautiful brunette, It's too much. Fraser, The Pyrates, p. 238.
SOERESMUS trope/Latin see quotation The Boss knew all about the so-called fallacy of the argumentum ad hominem. "It may be a fallacy," he said, "but it is shore-God useful. If you use the right kind of argumentum you can always scare the hominem into a laundry bill he didn't expect." Warren, Robert Penn, All the King's Men, p. 248.
I'll ask if these got into the published version intact.
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Spanish, French, and Latin examples
I see. So he does not give examples of the word *soeresmus being used, but examples in various languages.
The first poetry to be called macaonic was written by Teofilo Folengo in the first have of the 16th century. The language was Latin, but with nonce words from Italian but with Latin morphological affixes. The content tended to the mock-epic, and the meter was usually hexameters.
The word has since come to be used for other kinds of language mixture, e.g., code-switching as in the Saussy examples, poetry in which ever other line is in one of several languages (this was big in England where Middle English, Latin, and French were used. A fourth century grammarian, Ausonius, is famous for using many Greek words in his otherwise Latin poetry. Another famous example is Hisperic latin from the Hisperica Famina. It was written by Irish monks and used Hebrew and Greek nonce words.
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I've seen macaronic used in another sense; i.e., etymologically speaking, words such as television are macaronic. would you consider this to be correct usage?
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etymologically speaking, words such as television are macaronic. would you consider this to be correct usage?
I understand what is meant, though I myself wouldn't use it.
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how would you, yourself, refer to such (mixed origin) words?
-joe (asking the unanswered) friday
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how would you, yourself, refer to such (mixed origin) words?
Because the notion of using both a Greek-origin and a Latin-origin ISV root in the same word does not bother me, I don't need a single word to describe it. If I wanted to refer to the phenomenon jocularly, I might say that the word television was etymological hybrid. After all, the Greek didn't think it a problem when they coined words like φιλόκαισαρ (philokaisar, with kaisar < Caesar) 'loyal to the emperor' (even when they had a perfectly good all Greek version φιλοσέβαστος (philosebastos, with sebastos as a calque for Augustus).
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So, macaronic is used to describe different languages used in groups of words (a sentence, a verse, etc.) but not for a single word that combines different etymologies?
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So, macaronic is used to describe different languages used in groups of words (a sentence, a verse, etc.) but not for a single word that combines different etymologies?I said I wouldn't use it. You, of course, are free to use words in any which way you would. 
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""homophobia" seems as badly cast as the so-called "scientific" word "homosexual" itself, except that "homophobia" does not have a macaronic etymology..." - Lawrence R. Schehr, Figures of Alterity (2003) "Macaronic words are formed by the addition of terminations of one language to roots of another language. Macaronic compositions, written in burlesque, contain, generally, genuine words from both languages, interspersed among the hybrid compounds." - Hubert M. Skinner, The Schoolmaster in Comedy and Satire (1894) edit: I'm going to send these to Jesse S.! editorial comment
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