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schwerpunkt #183710
03/19/09 05:13 PM
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Does a loanword mean it should be given back at a certain point?

I would give this one back if I were you. Isn't there an English equivalent for it? Something with gravity or so?
I've listenened to the pronunciation and it is nowhere near it.
Shjwayr-poonkt would come much closer.

And when you look at the way it is used I think you wouldn't miss it.:

Context:"In the only arty shot, the Dalai Lama, seen in silhouette, sits at the schwerpunkt of a Mondrian-like composition." frown

Re: schwerpunkt [Re: BranShea] #183713
03/19/09 07:11 PM
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I thought it had been returned long ago, since I've never ever heard or seen it before! :0)

Re: schwerpunkt [Re: twosleepy] #183717
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smile lots of little schwerpunkts

Re: schwerpunkt [Re: BranShea] #183755
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schwerpunk

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cool

Re: schwerpunkt [Re: BranShea] #183756
03/21/09 07:37 AM
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कहीं &...
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Originally Posted By: BranShea

I've listenened to the pronunciation and it is nowhere near it.
Shjwayr-poonkt would come much closer.


Closer to what? If it is a loanword do the English speakers have to pronounce it the German way?

Re: schwerpunkt [Re: latishya] #183759
03/21/09 09:16 AM
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I know it's an overcharged comparison, but when you borrow a shirt from someone you don't use it to mopp the floor with. Maybe it does not matter.
---Suggested by Latishya:
Quote:
It can be applied to any loanword used in any language - should the speakers of the language that borrowed the word try to mimic the pronunciation it had in the original?
Could be worth a discussion.

Re: centre of gravitas [Re: BranShea] #183768
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Does a loanword mean it should be given back at a certain point?

You'll have to ask the Germans who coined the word Lehnwort, and the English person who calqued (loan translation, Lehnübersetzung) it as loanword. It's funny that the other kind of word, Erbwort 'inheritance word', was not calqued. What's even funnier is that German Lehn (Latin feudum, feodum, beneficium) doesn't really mean 'loan', it's 'fief'. A Lehnsmann is a vassal.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
Re: schwerpunkt [Re: BranShea] #183774
03/21/09 02:49 PM
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Isn't the glyph ∴ a therefore sign? That is the plainer cousin of the asterism (link).

[Addendum: Fixed the glyph. Whatever happened to the ability to use Unicode on this site?]

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Ceci n'est pas un seing.
Re: centre of gravitas [Re: zmjezhd] #183775
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Aha!...Aha! That is interesting. Leenwoord, erfwoord, leenheer, leenman, all familiar words from national history.
Is there a specific difference between a Lehnwort and an Erbwort?
Or does it mix and mingle a bit? To my ears the word 'fief ' is always such a funny word.
( the child with the missing front theeth trying to say 'thief ' ? )

Oh, but how about the domestication of the pronunciation of a loanword? (in general and in particular?)
(reminds me of the man who was trying to find the meaning of a Germany originated
word some time ago, but he did not remeber the pronunciation well and the word remained mystery)
looks like a little pyramid to me

Re: centre of gravitas [Re: BranShea] #183777
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>Whatever happened to the ability to use Unicode on this site?

it seems to have (unhappily) got lost in one of the updates. someone should mention that in Anu's update thread!!

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