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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 1 of 2 1 2 #171452 - 11/19/07 03:53 PM Pinchbeck   Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1 midimil stranger midimil   stranger Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1 I was always intrigued by the line from the song "Ya Got Trouble" from the musical "The Music Man" that went like this: "Well the next thing you know your son is playing for money in a pinchback suit..." I always assumed that was "pinchback" connoted a style of tailoring, perhaps with pleats on the back of the jacket. Maybe the word, however, was actually "pinchbeck," as in a fabric that was some sort of counterfeit of a more expensive fabric. #171453 - 11/19/07 04:11 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: midimil]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass pinch-back over pinchbeck. -joe (six to nothin') friday #171454 - 11/19/07 05:39 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Originally Posted By: tsuwm pinch-back over pinchbeck. -joe (six to nothin') friday yeahbut® formerly known as etaoin... #171455 - 11/19/07 05:54 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]   Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Webster online sure has a lot of synonyms Deception: Untrue; mock, sham, make-believe, counterfeit, snide, pseudo, spurious, supposititious, so-called, pretended, feigned, trumped up, bogus, scamped, fraudulent, tricky, factitious;bastard; surreptitious, illegitimate, contraband, adulterated, sophisticated; unsound, rotten at the core; colorable; disguised; meretricious, tinsel, pinchbeck, plated; catchpenny; Brummagem. Ornament: Finery, frippery, gewgaw, gimcrack, tinsel, spangle, clinquant, pinchbeck, paste; excess of ornament; (vulgarity); gaud, pride. #171456 - 11/19/07 06:33 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: BranShea]   Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont looking up both pinchback and pinchbeck, it seems to me the word in the song would/should be pinchbEck: adjective - appearing valuable, but actually cheap or tawdry. though perhaps it's not. Last edited by etaoin; 11/19/07 06:35 PM. formerly known as etaoin... #171458 - 11/19/07 08:42 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 Aramis addict Aramis   addict Joined: May 2005 Posts: 456 SE US May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection. ÅΓª╥┐↕§ #171459 - 11/19/07 08:47 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: Aramis]   Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Originally Posted By: Aramis May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection. hence my yeahbut®. formerly known as etaoin... #171464 - 11/19/07 09:53 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass hence my "six to nothin'" notation; to wit, try googling "for money in a pinchback suit" (or pinch back / pinch-back) vs. the alternative. the "s are important. of course, everyone could have it wrong. -ron o. edit: there is one(1) hit for pinchbeck -- it seems to be from an NPR radio transcript, which you can buy. Last edited by tsuwm; 11/19/07 10:07 PM. #171467 - 11/19/07 10:41 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: tsuwm]   Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont good stuff from WWW: pinchbeck and t, that's what I figured you meant. formerly known as etaoin... #174227 - 03/05/08 06:28 AM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: midimil]   Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,067 The Pook old hand The Pook   old hand Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,067 Tasmania Pinchbeck is a metal alloy. It is used for things like photo frames. Its main use was in the 19th century for the preserver matts and frames around daguerreotypes and ambrotypes. When used in this context in America it is called Preserver. Pinchbeck is its British name. Here is an example of a Pinchbeck preserver frame from my daguerreotype collection: Last edited by The Pook; 03/05/08 06:32 AM. 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