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Page 1 of 2 1 2 > Topic Options #171452 - 11/19/07 10:53 AM Pinchbeck midimil stranger Registered: 11/19/07 Posts: 1 I was always intrigued by the line from the song "Ya Got Trouble" from the musical "The Music Man" that went like this: "Well the next thing you know your son is playing for money in a pinchback suit..." I always assumed that was "pinchback" connoted a style of tailoring, perhaps with pleats on the back of the jacket. Maybe the word, however, was actually "pinchbeck," as in a fabric that was some sort of counterfeit of a more expensive fabric. Top #171453 - 11/19/07 11:11 AM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: midimil] tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/03/00 Posts: 10538 Loc: this too shall pass pinch-back over pinchbeck. -joe (six to nothin') friday Top #171454 - 11/19/07 12:39 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: tsuwm] Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/24/02 Posts: 7210 Loc: Vermont Originally Posted By: tsuwm pinch-back over pinchbeck. -joe (six to nothin') friday yeahbut® _________________________ formerly known as etaoin... Top #171455 - 11/19/07 12:54 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu] BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 5295 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague Webster online sure has a lot of synonyms Deception: Untrue; mock, sham, make-believe, counterfeit, snide, pseudo, spurious, supposititious, so-called, pretended, feigned, trumped up, bogus, scamped, fraudulent, tricky, factitious;bastard; surreptitious, illegitimate, contraband, adulterated, sophisticated; unsound, rotten at the core; colorable; disguised; meretricious, tinsel, pinchbeck, plated; catchpenny; Brummagem. Ornament: Finery, frippery, gewgaw, gimcrack, tinsel, spangle, clinquant, pinchbeck, paste; excess of ornament; (vulgarity); gaud, pride. Top #171456 - 11/19/07 01:33 PM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: BranShea] Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/24/02 Posts: 7210 Loc: Vermont looking up both pinchback and pinchbeck, it seems to me the word in the song would/should be pinchbEck: adjective - appearing valuable, but actually cheap or tawdry. though perhaps it's not. Edited by etaoin (11/19/07 01:35 PM) _________________________ formerly known as etaoin... Top #171458 - 11/19/07 03:42 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: tsuwm] Aramis addict Registered: 05/17/05 Posts: 456 Loc: SE US May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection. _________________________ ÅΓª╥┐↕§ Top #171459 - 11/19/07 03:47 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: Aramis] Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/24/02 Posts: 7210 Loc: Vermont Originally Posted By: Aramis May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection. hence my yeahbut®. _________________________ formerly known as etaoin... Top #171464 - 11/19/07 04:53 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu] tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/03/00 Posts: 10538 Loc: this too shall pass hence my "six to nothin'" notation; to wit, try googling "for money in a pinchback suit" (or pinch back / pinch-back) vs. the alternative. the "s are important. of course, everyone could have it wrong. -ron o. edit: there is one(1) hit for pinchbeck -- it seems to be from an NPR radio transcript, which you can buy. Edited by tsuwm (11/19/07 05:07 PM) Top #171467 - 11/19/07 05:41 PM Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble [Re: tsuwm] Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/24/02 Posts: 7210 Loc: Vermont good stuff from WWW: pinchbeck and t, that's what I figured you meant. _________________________ formerly known as etaoin... Top #174227 - 03/05/08 01:28 AM Re: Pinchbeck [Re: midimil] The Pook old hand Registered: 02/20/08 Posts: 1067 Loc: Tasmania Pinchbeck is a metal alloy. It is used for things like photo frames. Its main use was in the 19th century for the preserver matts and frames around daguerreotypes and ambrotypes. When used in this context in America it is called Preserver. Pinchbeck is its British name. Here is an example of a Pinchbeck preserver frame from my daguerreotype collection: Edited by The Pook (03/05/08 01:32 AM) Top Page 1 of 2 1 2 > Previous Topic Index Next Topic Preview Hop to: General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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