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#169004 07/05/07 03:32 AM
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Why cannot existence--"to be"--alone suffice as a sentence predicate? I find it logical enough.

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When it is used it is generally with an implied predicate, e.g.:

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Who's going to the park with me?

I am.


Logical it might be but all by itself it seems a little bare and doesn't satisfy the demands of the Ding-an-sich English as opposed to the English imagined by those who would veto the common use if it doesn't match their idealized image of what it should be..

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What about something like, "Mankind's purpose is to be (live/exist)"?

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Because people nowadays refuse to be succinct like Descartes with his cogito ergo sum - or by the way, Shakespeare's to be or not to be..

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Originally Posted By: Jackie
What about something like, "Mankind's purpose is to be (live/exist)"?


Even there, to be is acting as the predicate of the is.

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Chesterton's writings consistently displayed wit and a sense of humour. He employed paradox, while making serious comments on the world, government, politics, economics, philosophy, theology and many other topics. When The Times invited several eminent authors to write essays on the theme "What's Wrong with the World?" Chesterton's contribution took the form of a letter:

Dear Sirs,

I am.

Sincerely yours,

G. K. Chesterton

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Originally Posted By: GKChesterton

I am.


Given the context, this is not a simple "I am." It fits more in the category of my original comment as a statement with an implied predicate. Given Chesterton's wit it can also be seen as a reference to the standard form of the letter sign-off, e.g.,

I remain,
Sincerely yours

Faldage of Fong

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Faldage, I disagree.

In the first case, "I am." has the implied predicate "going to park with you."

In the GKC case, "I am" is short for "I exist." Of course he's saying more than that. Seems clear he was commenting on the experiences of alienation, subjugation, and depersonalization induced by the industrial revolution - the same experiences that provoked the dystopic "Metropolis."

"I AM!" or "I EXIST!" or "*I* exist!" "I am a person, dammit, an individual - not an automaton, not a group of holes punched on a Hollerith card, or a cog in the grand machine, but a human being!"

In this case, I see the implied paragraph, but I don't see the implied predicate.

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It fits more in the category of my original comment as a statement with an implied predicate. Sorry, but I think you are way out on a limb this time

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In response to what's wrong with the world, he declares he exists? That doesn't follow either his sense of humor or logic. I've always read that as a response--What's wrong with the world? I am. Similar to saying "I'm the guy/gal your mother warned you about." That's more in keeping with his wry wit.

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