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at least on jury rig. Check here and go to the left hand column, mouse over the I-J and select Jerry-Built/Jury rig for the full story. They both predate WWII by a good bit.
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another fine example for why you should never assume anything!
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at least on jury rig.
Check here and go to the left hand column, mouse over the I-J and select Jerry-Built/Jury rig for the full story. They both predate WWII by a good bit.
What a joke! This silly fellow, David Wilton, seems to think that he can copyright what others have said. His spill is filled with absolutes that don't follow.
What a joke.
Now. Back to our discussion...
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Ok, now here is an earlier user of the word "jury" in an unequivocal context.
From the last paragraph of the book THE LAST VOYAGE OF COLUMBUS by Martin Duggard, 2006...
[He was old and sick, but Columbus's ingenuity remained limitless. He took control of the nameless caravel without ever leaving his sickbed, ordering the forecastle and sterncastle demolished and the lumber used to construct a new mast.]
"A jury mast was constructed from one of the lateen yards and partially braced with ropes and timbers," Fernando remembered. "Our mizzen mast was brought down by another storm, and it was God's will that we should sail in this sorry plight for seven hundred leagues, at the end of which we entered the harbor os Sanlucar de Barrameda".
[the date was November 7, 1504. Columbus was finally back in Spain, fifty-three years old and with less than two years to live.]
The quote by Fernando was written shortly thereafter.
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So Fernando was writing in modern English? Sorry, I cannot view that as proof that jury was used in that fashion in 1504. I will bet you a buck that the quote from Fernando in the original Spanish or Portuguese or whatever he wrote in does not include the word jury. And I'll give you ten to one odds.
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How about Capt. John Smith, who, in 1616 wrote: Quote:
We had reaccommodated her a jury mast, and the rest, to returne for Plimouth.
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So Fernando was writing in modern English? Sorry, I cannot view that as proof that jury was used in that fashion in 1504. I will bet you a buck that the quote from Fernando in the original Spanish or Portuguese or whatever he wrote in does not include the word jury. And I'll give you ten to one odds.
And you'd be right, TEd. The question here, Mr Milum, would be the date of the translation. For the translator didn't pluck "jury" out of thin air.
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Well TED, you are right. I owe you a buck. What Fernando really said was... "Un mástil del jurado fue construido a partir del uno de lateen yardas y apoyado parcialmente con las cuerdas y las maderas" And then he added... "y el jurado todavia esta hacia en TEd" 
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After Fong's 1616 offering, the OED also has this from 1627: Quote:
1627 {emem} Seaman's Gram. iv. 18 A Iury Mast, that is, when a Mast is borne by the boord, with Yards, Roofes, Trees, or what they can, spliced or fished together they make a Iury-mast.
Given that these are the written citations, the term must have been around for a while, na? Mid-to-late 16C at least?
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"Un mástil del jurado fue construido a partir del uno de lateen yardas y apoyado parcialmente con las cuerdas y las maderas"
Yeah, right. With a fish stuck in his ear he said that.
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