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#163592 11/22/06 11:48 PM
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Hey, I had to make do with what I had!

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Here is a nice example of the use of mise-en-abyme in film—Citizen Kane, no less.

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That is a "visual" and I have always referred to that as "infinite regression".
I have two mirrors in my bathroom that can give met that effect.


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Quote:

The term I learned was one adapted from heraldic terminology: mise-en-abyme.




Wouldn't 'interval play' cover that same meaning? (seems like there is some falling involved in this too)

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Subtextual, subconscious input, maybe.

More likely, an antimoralistic intrusion into the fog of art.

Yes, that's it...an antimoralistic intrusion into the fog of art.

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Wouldn't 'interval play' cover that same meaning?

I don't think so. An entr'acte is a separate piece performed during half-time as it were). A play-within-a-play is more of a mise-en-abyme.


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I would take the play-within-a-play to be something like the play in Hamlet where Hamlet gets the traveling theater group to re-enact Claudius's murder of his father, not something totally disconnected like a separate play that just happens to be staged between acts. Mise-en-abyme might well be a term for this, but so is play-within-a-play. The advantage of the latter term is that people might understand what you're saying when you use it.

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The advantage of the latter term is that people might understand what you're saying when you use it.

But, now, if one runs across the other term, and it is used extensively in certain contexts, then one will understand what's being written or talked about.


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I grew up knowing this term as either a "conceit", or a "Frame Story."


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