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#151305 11/30/05 10:30 PM
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I know that adjectives that are derived from nouns are grammatically considered "denominal adjectives", however no dictionary I tried have given a result for "denominal"...

I know however that "nominal" means "relating to being a noun or name", and "de" is basically a prefix for "counter"... but I'm still perplexed about the lack of definition for a grammatical word. Input?

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Not a complete dic but.

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The suffix de- also means 'from'. Denominal means "derived from a noun" in this case. There's also: deadjectival nouns, deverbal nouns, and denominal verbs.


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> deadjectival nouns

wazza live one look like?

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I keep looking at deadjectival, wondering if it differs from livejectival, but I DO digress.

Just for grins, I looked up ordinary because, well, darned if I know why. Anway, ordinary is an adjective, and it is deadjectivated into the noun ordinary, as in "out of the ordinary." AH! I remember why I looked it up. For some reason the student common room at my alma mater was called the Ordinary. I doubt that I everaskedwhy, come to think of it. Anyone from George Mason University around? Do they still have a place called the Ordinary?

And I just verbed deadjectival!

Does that fit?


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wazza live one look like?

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A deadjectival verb would be albeo in Latin which means 'to be white' from albus 'white'. Not all languages can do de-X Y with what are called zero morphemes like English.


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Albus Dumbledore.

maybe doesn't this belong in the other thread?


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Well, you can argue that substantives or adjectives came first in Latin, but I think folks probably talk about what color something was before they spoke of a color in the abstract.


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> deadjectival nouns

wazza live one look like?




Or either, if you watch the USn soap opera The Young and the Restless you might could find some examples.

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Thanks everyone. It seems I always learn thirteen new facts when I ask about one thing. (no sarcasm, this is actually quite enlightening) I'm still curious why do most dictionaries-- even the most comprehensive ones I know, do not yield result for that. My theory is that lexicographers discount (some) grammatical words, and leave it for grammar-specific dictionaries or sources.

-Logwood (who's working out to become an English teacher one day...)

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I'm still curious why do most dictionaries-- even the most comprehensive ones I know, do not yield result for that.




This is curious. It's not at dictionary.com. And yet look at this from the (not particularly comprehensive) New Oxford American Dictionary that comes with the iLife OS on a Mac :

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denominal
adjective [ attrib. ]
(of a word)
derived from a noun. noun a verb or other word that is derived from a noun.
ORIGIN 1930s: from de- + nominal .





Usually it works the other way round (if a word is not in my Apple desktop dictionary, I look it up at dictionary.com).

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