Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
#148338 - 09/26/05 09:49 AM 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
belligerentyouth Offline
old hand
belligerentyouth  Offline
old hand

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
Berlin
Since 'man' and 'men' have become exclusive, terms such as 'crewed/uncrewed' are being used to fill in the gap left by manned/unmanned, but it occurs to me that 'crewed' does not really work with, for example, an unmanned border post. What would AWADers suggest instead?

While we're at it, does anyone know of a 'definitive' list of alternatives to the common male-centric terminology?


#148339 - 09/26/05 09:54 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Faldage Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Faldage  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
I dunno. We'll probably need some input from the wopersons in the group.


#148340 - 09/26/05 11:57 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
of troy Offline
Carpal Tunnel
of troy  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
rego park
well a border post exist for a reason--perhaps it is automated?

so rather than unmanned it is a automated (or automatic) border post? with electronic recording devices.


#148341 - 09/26/05 12:11 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
belligerentyouth Offline
old hand
belligerentyouth  Offline
old hand

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
Berlin
> well a border post exist for a reason--perhaps it is automated?

Yeah, I know what you mean, but I was thinking more along the lines of this: 'The border post was unmanned at the time we crossed.'

I guess you could say, 'There were no border personnel at the post when we crossed', but that's changing things around quite a lot.


#148342 - 09/26/05 01:22 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
inselpeter Offline
Pooh-Bah
inselpeter  Offline
Pooh-Bah

Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
New York City
>>an unmanned border post<<

An opportunity.


#148343 - 09/26/05 01:52 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
zmjezhd Offline
Carpal Tunnel
zmjezhd  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
R'lyeh
Juliet

    Come, civil night,
Thou sober-suited matron, all in black,
And learn me how to lose a winning match,
Played for a pair of stainless maidenhoods.
Hood my unmanned blood, bating in my cheeks,
With thy black mantle till strange love grow bold,
Think true love acted simple modesty.
Come, night; come, Romeo; come, thou day in night;
For thou wilt lie upon the wings of night
Whiter than new snow upon a raven's back.

Unmanned here means untamed. Nice usage of the verb to learn, too.

[While in another play ...]

Lady Macbeth: What, quite unmann'd in folly?

Macbeth: If I stand here, I saw him.

Lady Macbeth: Fie, for shame!



Ceci n'est pas un seing.
#148344 - 09/26/05 04:56 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 508
nancyk Offline
addict
nancyk  Offline
addict

Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 508
Metro Detroit (MI)
How about staffed/unstaffed? Works better for me than crewed/uncrewed.


#148345 - 09/26/05 08:18 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,467
TEd Remington Offline
Carpal Tunnel
TEd Remington  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,467
Marion NC
When we got to the border crossing post, we found it was delicate.



TEd
#148346 - 09/27/05 08:01 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
belligerentyouth Offline
old hand
belligerentyouth  Offline
old hand

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
Berlin
> How about staffed/unstaffed? Works better for me than crewed/uncrewed.

Good suggestion. I'm sure there are other circumstances where 'staffed' wouldn't work quite as well, but it works well here. It may, for example, sound a little weird to say an 'unstaffed crane'; I think then reverting to 'uncrewed' may be better.


#148347 - 09/27/05 11:27 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 427
Marianna Offline
addict
Marianna  Offline
addict

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 427
Spain
Such a great thread! I wonder if anybody has any answers for the second part of BYouth's initial post, about a "definitive" (I suppose meaning more or less accepted) list of gender-neutral terms that are preferrable to some of the so-called discriminatory ones?

Thanks!


Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Moderated by  Jackie 

Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,879
Posts224,135
Members9,031
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
brork, santo, piostylist, prgill, thefoeller
9031 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 53 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters(All Time)
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
tsuwm 10,538
LukeJavan8 9,042
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2017 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.017s Queries: 13 (0.003s) Memory: 2.7308 MB (Peak: 2.8642 MB) Zlib disabled. Server Time: 2017-11-23 12:58:01 UTC