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#142110 04/16/05 08:49 PM
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from an article about the election of the Pope:

>"Conclave" refers to a locked section of the Vatican where the cardinals remain until they have elected a new pope. The word conclave derives from Latin -- cum + clavis -- and means "locked with key." <

I never knew that...about the origin of the word conclave, that is. (bold is mine)






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Yo, Juan. This was discussed during your absence, maybe about a month ago? Helen kindly splained it, but durned if it turned up in a search.


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http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=miscellany&Number=144815

(Oops--I put a link to the wrong post, first; this is the correct one, I believe.)

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<<locked with key>>

News today said they would be opening the conclave tomorrow. Guess the church is liberalizing. ;)


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They aren't merely opening the conclave; they're spreading it all over town.

The custom of sequestering the Cardinals to select the pope arose in Medieval times, when the citizenry, frustrated that the college of Cardinals had been unable to agree on a new pope after three years of political bargaining, locked the college in a room and allowed the members only bread and water until they arrived at a decision. They managed to select a new pope after three days in the new conditions, and locking the college away has been the way ever since.

However, the conditions of the conclave have relaxed since the initial austere enclosure, and this year they are putting up the Cardinals in rather luxurious hotel accommodations. It seems that having a bunch of old men locked together without access to showers just doesn't have the panache it used to ...

And speaking of the college of Cardinals -- I can't help but wonder if their basketball team is any good and whether their nickname is "the Stanfords."


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The custom of sequestering the Cardinals to select the pope arose in Medieval times, when the citizenry, frustrated that the college of Cardinals had been unable to agree on a new pope after three years of political bargaining, locked the college in a room and allowed the members only bread and water until they arrived at a decision.

And that answers a question I thought was too dumb to ask: are they locked in, or do they lock out?


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http://snipurl.com/e3a1

They did a photoshop contest for "What really goes on during the conclave" over at www.fark.com. Some of the entries are pretty funny, but the easily offended (who should, perhaps, be offended more often) should be warned of irreverence in the extreme.




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*giggle*

"Duck, duck, pope" appeals to me.


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It appears that the conclave is over. Current news reports indicate that a pope has been selected, but that his identity has not yet been revealed. I am curious to learn the name he has chosen; here's a link to an article discussing papal names and meanings.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7540353/

I'm so hoping for "Ringo" ...


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In the time it took me to say that we didn't know who yet ...

The new pope is German Joseph Ratzinger, who has called himself Pope Benedict XVI.


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