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Thanks, Jackie, for your willingness, and tsuwm, for your initiative.
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I agree with tsuwm's basic idea and Jackie's response and thanks to them both. We'd all like to be able to come back to this board to discuss words and associated topics - whatever they may be - without running into constant streams of abuse (both subtle and overt) plus, as Jackie says, individuals who want to remake the board into their own images.
I would also like to see (if Jackie was so inclined) a consistent welcoming process created for new posters. We could class a new poster as someone who has posted more than once. At the moment we're either very good at it or we're not. Some consistency may help to make new posters feel more "at home" and less like to react badly to what appears to be abuse. The process might simply be a standard PM with links to Max's hints page and resource page. Or something.
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Give us an example, tswum...jackie, what application of the authorities
that you have requested in your petition to Anu would you have applied to control
the last and latest so-called flame war?
And if you will, cite examples of personal attacks
that would warrant deletion or reprimand.
It is axiomatic that rules of order have no meaning if
they are not clearly understood by those to whom they apply.
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instead, here are some "standard" rules of conduct. I don't think it would be helpful at this juncture to start debating what's happened in the past. http://www.sandpointonline.com/bb/rules.htmlThese are explicit and objective for the most part. A couple of them (obscenities, copyrights) are stronger than our norms. I'd suggest a short list along these lines, to be drawn up by a committee of no more than three -- if we can establish a moderator with the power to do what's outlined in the (sample) petition above.
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Whatever you think tsuwm.
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First--if I got it right, "have requested" doesn't apply yet.
Secondly: thanks, tsuwm, for the link. The ones I feel strongest about are: Slanderous, defamatory, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening and harassing comments will be removed without comment.
No personal attacks or "flames" are allowed. Flames are defined as comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion.
As to Profanity or obscenities of any kind are not permitted, not even if disguised with *asterisks. , by and large we have used the asterisk method. That suits me just fine, though I know some people have no problem reading the "real" thing; and we may have some people who are offended by it.
Two things that haven't particularly bothered me but that others feel strongly about are: No advertising of any kind, including non-profit organizations, is permitted.
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No copyrighted material is allowed. Please use links instead of quotes. However, posts containing links to pornographic, racist, violent or offensive sites will be removed. So as far as I'm concerned we can continue trying to honor these.
Third: just above are two examples of what I was talking about when I said that we have made great efforts to accommodate each others' sensibilities: I let it be known that I didn't care much for reading curse words, and they mostly vanished; and I saw other people get upset over advertisements and copyright violations, and, although I don't understand their vehemence, have at least tried not to post either of those things. Aside: here, I think, is a good place to point out that I am not well-versed (to put it mildly) in internet protocol. All I know is that it is my core belief that people ought to be nice to each other.
Fourth: I would like to clarify/reiterate something from my long post above. Specifically, the importance I place on the difference between lapses of...good manners, for lack of a better term, and consistence/insistence of going one's own way. Over time, I have gotten many comments along the line of, "Look here, look at this, So-and-So was so mean, right here". Well--to me, there is a HUGE, HUGE difference between people who occasionally* let their tempers get the better of them and people who continue to insist on posting things they have been repeatedly asked and told not to. I consider the former to be more or less mistakes, and the latter deliberate provocation. Most people have a temper, and some are better at controlling it than others. People who post according to their own agendas again and again and again, knowing that that type of post will be unwelcome do so because they choose to do so. And therein lies the difference.
*There are some people who "regularly" lose their tempers, yes. What I would like certain other people to keep in mind is the time frame: I don't consider that losing one's temper ten or even fifteen times in five years is all that bad. They have apologized most of the time, and in the interims probably restrain themselves more than I will ever know. So I'm willing to give them an e for effort.
Fifth: I very much like the idea of consistent welcoming. I used to do it all the time, but that just isn't possible, now. If somebody new posts in a category I don't read, I won't know about it(!); or if I happen to see a new person when my time is very limited, I don't do it then, either.
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>I very much like the idea of consistent welcoming.
As a group moderator at yahoo, I joined the yahoo_group_of_groups group. They have a welcoming message, which you can't help but see when you enter; they also have six(6) moderators, and whichever one notices a new member, or someone struggling with the format, leaps to the welcome/rescue. Having multiple moderators may be the only answer to that here, without having access to the board software or the forum banner.
[As sole moderator of the wwftd yahoo group, I don't allow posts to the group without moderator approval, and the moderator always disapproves unless the poster is the moderator. You could say that I'm the least ambivalent of all dictators. It's all just a sham as a group; what I've really established, through these artifices, is a daily newsletter to the members of the group.]
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group_of_groups group Uh...huh; and this would be located in their Department of Redundancy Department, right?
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No copyrighted material is allowed.
I think we go by the "fair use" doctrine. Quote if it seems reasonable, but acknowledge your source. I myself have gotten lax in this area from time to time, but most are familiar with my "OED convention". :}
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Yeah, tsuwm, I agree that it's fine to quote a small amount of material as long as it's clearly in quotation marks and the source is cited. It's certainly good advertisement for other sites and it can save having to read through entire pages of of material when a little point will do.
Small amount = not more than a few sentences.
Just my opinion.
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