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I didn't get Monday's AWAD. This has happened before, and eventually the missing email turns up, but it could be a day late or a week late or months late. It's not only from AWAD either. It's also happened with the normally reliable connection between home and work. Can the more computerate amongst us explain why, and what if anything I can do about it?
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After the computerati have their say, I will explain my "evil djin theory of the Internet" to you.
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I guess I'm probably the "most" computer literate person currently active on the board. They pay me to be computer literate, anyway. And I actually wrote an email program, back in the days of DOS.
Having said that, no, I have no idea why one or two emails, rather than all of them, don't arrive where they should. If they didn't turn up at all, I'd say that there was an unresolvable address issue, which happens sometimes even when the address is correct for some reason best explained by the programmers who wrote the your email program, the ISP's email server and the sender's email program (if different to yours). But for them to "disappear" and then "reappear" a considerable time later - there will be a good technical explanation, but you should talk to your ISP, especially if they are disappearing between work and home and you have access to the ISP.
I know this doesn't help!
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Hi Bingley,
While I am not of the paranoid type in general, it occurs to me that your line traffic might be occasionally scrutinized by some officials of the state who are ๎ntent on protecting it from unwanted information? I think technically it would be no problem.
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C.K., you said "different to...".
I say different from.
And by the way, I for one don't want you to "shut up for a while".
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>I guess I'm probably the "most" computer literate person currently active on the board<
are you modest too? Many on this board seem to be quite computer literate...(look at all the help that was offered to Rhu-- and just running comments make it obvious to me, many here know a good deal.
I had my first home computer back in 1982-- before DOS-(well actually there was QDOS- the quick and dirty OS, that was in US public domain software, that is the basis for MS DOS. )
I learned assembly language for the 8086-- by signal tracing on a 1meter square chip "Map" put out by Sams, a big name in electronic publishing. (the map showed the JK/flip flops, and gates, nor, gates-- and you could "signal trace" a High through the chip-- and compute the output..
at the time i was a high school drop out-- staying home with kids, and did this to keep from getting bored. I have electic knowledge-- Most of my work is as a trainer-- and I do well since i can speak to the geeks, understand them, and the "translate" to the luddites. I know binary, octal and Hex-- and can even do simple problems (say adding a list of 10 binary numbers) on paper-- with out first translating to decimal.. or multiplication-- again on paper. for division i need at least one number in decimal formate-- and lest yout think that is insane, the ancient Egyptians used "binary" for division.
that said-- I have also had a problem this week, and at 9:30 EST, still do not have my WOTD-- I didn't it till noon on monday. Network traffic can cause unexpected delays.. and IP traffic can interfer. high bandwidth messages (MP3 file, ie, get priority routing..)
For fun, find out if your email service offer a trace function and send out an email with a trace attached.
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I did manufacturing test of Univac main-frames in 1966... oh never mind. 
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are you modest too?
Of troy, I think C.K. was merely stating a supposition, based on the information that he had. There are times when what might sound like bragging is merely a statement of fact.
As has been pointed out to me by one in the know, there are many different ways of being knowledgeable about these complicated instruments. There is a person here who crafts
3-D models that must be absolutely perfect. I admire all kinds of expertise, and somehow don't think one kind is
necessarily better than another.
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I installed a system written in CP/M - bet you don't remember that - our advisers thought DOS was a bit of a flash in the pan!
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>I installed a system written in CP/M - bet you don't remember that... remember it? I was on the CP/M steering committee... 
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I did manufacturing test of Univac main-frames in 1966...
Hey - I used to program Univac 418s, using a peculiar assembler language called "ART" - is you that we have to blame for all of the grief the machines gave us?
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that doesn't surprise me, tsuwm, I felt there were many here with lots and lots of computer experience-- in 1966--last year of elementary school-- or first of HS-- i think.. (but i had already learned octal & binary. My school was a "pilot" for new math, and "alternate numbering systems" was part of curriculum-- ) I "forgot" most of it, till i needed it-- my first computer (TI99/4A) used Hex--since it was a 16 bit OS. graphics required binary (you could turn an individual pixil on or off using commands--the binary code got shorthanded to hex-- )
I had a eurika! and realized, i knew binary-- and hex was easy to learn.
Xara is up there too, for being computer whiz-- and Faldage too..
I got the impression, many if not most, could slip into geekdom--if we wanted to-- but to be true geeks, we would have to be almost illiterate-- and only able to code.. so we'll never quite make it. (we're all to sociable and chatty too!--not real geeks)
Sorry if i offended CK-- You might well be the most computer literate person on the board-- but the rest of us are hardly a bunch of luddites..(Not that luddites are welcome too!)-- Who knows maybe someone will choose "Jethro Tull" as a sign in name.
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I installed a system written in CP/M - bet you don't remember that
I'm impressed. Jo - my beautiful old Amstrad PCW used C/PM (I used to know what it stood for - forget now -) and I could never really get my head round it. I used to programme that machine in Mallard Basic - now there was a language for you. Talk about duck-speak!
Mind you, I wish I was still using LocoScript - much easier than Word.
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the rest of us are hardly a bunch of ludditesPart of me wants to start off on a history rant to show you that the Luddites weren't really anti-new tech, for the most part. But it's too near Christmas, and this is my last day at work for thirteen days. Ask me in the New Year - if you dare! 
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I didn't do any "real" (ie commerical) programing-- but went out with a guy who was programing in Nixdorf-- any one else familiar with that language?
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>Hey - I used to program Univac 418s, using a peculiar assembler language called "ART" - is you that we have to blame for all of the grief the machines gave us? nope, I worked on 1108s (the 418s were just across the aisle); there were probably never more than ten processors, in various states of assembly, on the test floor at any one time (and fewer 418s). I don't remember the 1108 assembler having any particular name other than "1108 assembler".
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>just kidding Shame, I would have thought that you would have been about the right age . Crucially, it was an ICL machine. ICL is a big UK-based computer company and in the olden days there was competition between IBM and ICL in the production of individual stand alone workstations. ICL went with CP/M and the rest is history, the rise and rise of the PC.
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I don't really have a clue about a great deal of what you people are talking about . . . probably because I wasn't born yet, but I do consider myself more computer literate than most. I worked for my school district with computers over the summer, but I'm mostly self-educated with web design: http://www.lovelandjazz.com.
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I don't really have a clue ....
It's our age Jazz. You know how grandparents ramble on about their role in the second world war. We like to ramble on about the days when the NASA computer that put man(kind) on the moon was impressive, rather than something with rather less computing power than a common or garden laptop. Of course with a little more foresight we could have all overtaken Bill Gates years ago, we were just to busy doing other things while he made his zillions.
You just have to humour us a little.
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I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought that no one else could deal with Bingley's problem. My only knowledge of your computing abilities comes from your posts, which don't go into any detail. The only thread which discussed computing directly was RhubarbCommando's. But that's no indicator either, because anyone who uses a browser will eventually have to deal with issues like cookies. And I did say that I "seemed to be", not that I "was". Still it brought all of you old duffers out of the woodwork, didn't it? I bet though, that few of you old mainframe bods have ever heard of the ONE operating system - free electronic chocolate fish if you have. I then went to Burroughs B56/B59 series - mostly Cobol, but some assembler. Remember Do not fold, bend, mutilate or spindle? On to VAX systems - Fortran, Pascal, Assembler On to Unix systems - DG/UX, some Solaris with C At the same time, all the PC-y things - had a second-hand PET. Used CP/M (didn't you just love it?), Concurrent DOS, DOS, now Windows. [Sigh Emoticon] - where does twenty years go? I tell programmers what to do now! 
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Thanks for the info and suggestions everybody. In reply to:
it occurs to me that your line traffic might be occasionally scrutinized by some officials of the state who are ๎ntent on protecting it from unwanted information? I think technically it would be no problem.
Although I don't doubt that it could be done, I can't imagine why Indonesia needs protecting from AWAD.
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In my youth, I built flip-flops with vacuum tubes (no joke!) Just like classical/modern literateness, computer literateness is a wide-ranging, poorly defined, controversial, multidimensional affair, where amateurs are needlessly pitted agains professionals. Here too, we have critics, editors, collectors, undernourished lyricists (preferably in assembler ), essayists, professors, consumers, each with their own perspective. Thus I find it rather futile to assume a ranking system valid for everybody.
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, I can't imagine why Indonesia needs protecting from AWAD..
I can't imagine that either, but it's sometimes surprising what security people can imagine. And if they screen the traffic for unusual, untranslatable words and hermetic code..?
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Wsieber - don't see it as ranking at all. I think it's great that so many of the people on the board have a background in mainframe computing.
Building flip-flops with vacuum tubes - I don't know how old you are, but at one time there was no other way. One of the technicians I used to work with worked on designing the IBM360 processor, and before than worked for Univac, I guess doing similar things.
Maybe there should be a board for aging computer ex-geeks.
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>Maybe there should be a board for aging computer ex-geeks. I think the only board going to get it the kind of board you have to put under your mattress when you get back ache  !
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..board you have to put under your mattress..which reminds me of the saying: only a hearse will straighten a hunchback
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Certainly we would have to call it the bread board. Hmmm. Looks odd. Breadboard? One word or two?
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>Breadboard? One word or two?
started out hyphen-ated (bread-board), but by the time it was verbed it was one (breadboarded).
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Certainly we would have to call it the bread board. Hmmm. Looks odd. Breadboard?
Yes, a bit like a swiss cheese board only very much crunchier ...
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The progression from two words to one word through a hyphenated stage is not otherwise unknown. The three forms base ball, base-ball and baseball coexisted all through the 20s and 30s before the single word form became the standard. The two word form was the standard through the 19th century. Otherwise there are pairs where the single word form is a noun and the double word form a verb although I have seen backup as a verb with backupped and even backuped(!) as past tense versions.
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>Otherwise there are pairs where the single word form is a noun and the double word form a verb although I have seen backup as a verb with backupped and even backuped(!) as past tense versions. hmmm. backup and backed up breadboard and breaded board??
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