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#12538 - 12/16/00 07:04 PM Re: Saint Thomas  
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So St. Thomas was an atheist?


#12539 - 12/16/00 07:22 PM In Defense of Thomas  
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Saint Thomas was no atheist. He was a fellow whose own style of thinking made it more difficult for him to come to faith than did the styles of others. Regardless of how he got there, his faith was sufficient that it motivated him to carry the Gospel to what is now modern India, where there is a Christian Church named after him: the Mar Thoma.






#12540 - 12/16/00 08:09 PM Re: In Defense of Thomas  
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Well ... sorry to doubt you Thomas, but do you actually have to see Anu (leaving out any issue with clearview screens in his extremities) to believe he exists?

My faith in his existence is absolute and untained by any doubt.

So there!



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#12541 - 12/16/00 08:18 PM More Blessed is Kiwi  
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"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29 Authorized Version)




#12542 - 12/17/00 12:47 AM Re: Saint Thomas/Santa Jacqulyn  
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Talking about saints, doubts and doubtful angels, where, oh where, is Jackie?

Last count = 1094 posts. Oh, yoohoo, Jackie! Cat got your fingers? Nya-nya-nya! C'mon babe, let's hear it! Louisville cheery mistresses, please stand up and be counted! Oooooooh, Jackie-54, where are you? Up out of your self-appointed gutter and speak, oh oracle of Kaintuck! Gawn off and joined the moral majority, have we? Died and gawn to hawg heaven? Get those pinkies pecking!



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#12543 - 12/17/00 01:00 AM Re: More Blessed is Kiwi  
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Our parish priest noted: "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29 Authorized Version)

Yeah, but what does the unauthorised version have to say? Enough of this authorised schtick! I note, solely for the record of course, that the victors always get to write history.

And, on another tack, imagine if Shakespeare had lived long enough to write the KJAV. Now that would have made it a really good read!



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#12544 - 12/17/00 01:20 AM Versions of Scripture  
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The irrepresible Kiwi writes: Yeah, but what does the unauthorised version have to say? Enough of this authorised schtick! I note, solely for the record of course, that the victors always get to write history. And, on another tack, imagine if Shakespeare had lived long enough to write the KJAV. Now that would have made it a really good read!




The English translation of the Bible published in 1611 is known to Protestants as the "King James Version" or "King James Bible" but to Anglicans (whose translation it is) as "The Authorized Version." King James did not translate it; he commissioned its translation and authorized it to be read in Anglican churches.

Had Shakespeare contributed to its translation, the naughty bits would likely have been more apparent than in the AV as published.




#12545 - 12/17/00 01:26 AM Re: Saint Thomas/Santa Jacqulyn  
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Good grief CapK, all you are missing in that "t'est pas game" to Jackie is a paragraph insulting Bob Denver .

However, if you do choose to add it, please advise me in advance and I will make sure I am as far away as possible. Perhaps I shall take a small vacation, somewhere far, like Poland, and wait for the tsunami to die down.


#12546 - 12/17/00 04:25 AM Re: Saint Thomas/Santa Jacqulyn  
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Hi bel. Tsunami aside, a stir is a stir. Especially if you have been having a couple of bevvies with your neighbour and enjoying the summer sun on a peaceful Sunday. Sundays were made to be stirring.

HELLLLLOOOO Jackie!



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#12547 - 12/17/00 04:45 AM Re: Versions of Scripture  
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FSter, well known to the Addams family, responded: The English translation of the Bible published in 1611 is known to Protestants as the "King James Version" or "King James Bible" but to Anglicans (whose translation it is) as "The Authorized Version." King James did not translate it; he commissioned its translation and authorized it to be read in Anglican churches.

As a lapsed Anglican (alway much worse than a lapsed Catholic, because lapsed Anglicans are never quite clear about what they have lapsed from ), I know, as you know, that King James is to blame for the situation today, bending over backwards to pander to everyone as a Scottish import allowed in on sufferance. The end result is a succession of Archbishops of Canterbury making noises in stilted RP (!) at royal weddings and not being much heard from at other times. Delegation is okay if you are careful who you delegate to. Jim the Oneth wasn't. Therefore (IMHO, I hasten to add) the King James version of the bible is (a) wildly inaccurate in some places - camels and needles being the obvious example - and (b) a dead boring read in all places - open at any page for an example.

Shakespeare would have made all the difference - and not just for the salacious bits! Although, come to think of it, all that "begetting" in Genesis could probably have been tarted up just as effectively by Kit Marlowe on a bad day. And Shakespeare just might have managed to get them to call it "Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter".

I've always fondly remembered a cartoon which had two (ancient) rabbis poring over a scroll. One says to the other, "The book reads okay, but can't you, for Heaven's sake, think of a snappier title than Leviticus?"

Now there's a thought. Maybe we could get Tom Stoppard to rewrite KJV as the QEIIAV? It could star Gwennyth Pa ... no, forget it. [/rant]

Apologies to all offended.



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