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#124453 03/04/04 01:44 AM
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something to think about besides England. Well, the women, anyway. AnnaS! [snort] I am shocked at you! [giggle]


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If you heard an exponent of gobbledegook talking, it would amaze you

There used to be an American practitioner back in the '50s?, '60s?, who would combine gobbledegook with normal English in a way that made you think he was actually saying something coherent, yet it remained just outside your ability to comprehend.


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Practitioner of what--sadism? Your post reminded me, though, of an experience I had with an older relative. We'd been on what was to have been a day-long outing, which was cut short because she complained of being tired and having a headache. Ok, no problem. So we're on the road heading home, still prolly 70 miles away, and I realize I'm having a hard time understanding her speech. And then I realized she was making only gibberish sounds--but all the inflections and pauses seemed appropriate. Turns out she was having a TIA (Transient Ischemic{sp?} Attack)--a sort of temporary, minor stroke. Scared the h--l out of me, for sure. I had noticed she seemed a bit disoriented from time to time, and uncharacteristically stumbled, but until the gibberish started I had put this down to the headache being really bad. She told me later (she's been fine ever since) that to her own ears her speech had sounded normal.


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Rhuby, now he's back and no longer limp-wristed, could probably give us chapter and verse on this, I'm sure.

It's very bono of you to ask me, duckie. [-\]
I think the dolly joggering omi to whom you may be referring is Professor Stanley Unwin:-

"If Shakespeare is Britain's greatest writer; then Stanley Unwin must be considered to be Britain's greatest speaker.

No other man has ever succeeded in talking a complete gibberish which paints such a fantastically clear and beautiful picture."


If you want to know more, varda this ken
http://www.hippy.freeserve.co.uk/unwin.htm



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Nice link. It seems that Prof^H^H^H^H Mr Unwin's texts and the Lear letter I quoted are in different languages. Compare 1 and 2:

1. Are you sitting comfort-boldly, two-square on your botty?

2. Okul scratchabibblebongibo, viddle squibble tog-a-tog, ferrymoyassity amsky flamsky ramsky damsky crocklefether squiggs.

There's seems to be more content in 1 than in 2. Listening to Unwinese would not tire one as quickly as Learese. &c.

As for Shakespeare, have you ever seen his penmanship? Unbelievable. I think Shakespeare was England's finest dictator.


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Ha! I remember the American's name: Professor Irwin Corey, the world's foremost living authority.

http://www.ottosell.de/pynchon/corey.htm

Not the same sort of gobbldegook. Pretty much all the words are legitimate by themselves.


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Thanks, Faldage - I couldn't recall the Amnerican exponent of the art.

You are perfectly right, jheem - these are two different animals; related, perhaps, but as different looking as the giraffe and the okapi.

The link (and the polari!) were in response to Capfka's post.

FWIW, I find the Lear example totally tedious - as, indeed, I find quite a ;ot of Lear's work, with some notable exceptions. Carol, on the other hand, was more of a predecessor of Prof S.Unwin - it sounds sense, but is actually gibberish. (c.f. Jabberwocky - mentioned above)


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And then there was a gentleman (who's name escapes me) who penned a follow-up called, "After Reading Mr. Burgess":

I never saw a purple cow,
I never hope to see one,
But from the milk we're getting now
There certainly must be one!


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if you want to listen to unwinese the bbc has this
http://snipurl.com/4wqr
unwin thinking of england


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most luverly


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