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#123882 02/25/04 04:23 PM
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Just another animal to add to your list of animals...

It has a golden U on its dark brown chest--and it climbs almost like a simian.


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Dear WW: but that doesn't tell us much about the critter.
It did remind me of how big brown mama bears wean their cubs. They drive them up a tall tree, and cubs, not having done much climbing before, are afraid to come down until Mama is long gone.

OK, so it really is ursus solaris, or Latin to that effect.
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/9859/sunbear.html


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Note that Helarctus malayanus (hope I remembered it right)
comes fro "hel-" = sun, plus arctus = north = Great Bear
constellation being anciently used as north indicator.
Just the other day, on first page of Caesar's Gallic Wars,
he designated north by "septentriones" the seven stars
that make up the Great Bear constellation, Ursa Major.


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But your own site, wwh, referred to them as Ursus malayanus. One site called them Malayan sun bears, but others refer to them as Malaysian sun bears. Interesting.


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Also found in Sumatra. In Indonesian/Malay called beruang madu honey bear.

The Kerinci National Park's English language page on the sun bear:
http://www.kerinci.org/ff06.html

For some reason I couldn't get the picture to come up, but if you click for the Indonesian version you can see the picture there.

Why are bears rich? Because they have money.

Indonesian for bear is beruang, which could be analysed as ber-uang having money. So much for puns and other such wordplay only being possible in English.

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RE:In Indonesian/Malay called beruang madu honey bear.

so madu is honey?

many 'honey/sweet(ness) words, in many languages are M(vowel) (soft constinent) (vowel)--
mel, mej, med, mad,
even english as the old word mead (honey wine).
the sweetness shows up in Melody, Melitits (diabities), and hundreds of other words.

(and it occurs to me, while i know english uses HONEY- i have no idea why we don't have a Mel/med/mad/ for sweetness. and instead have honey?)


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I wouldn't be surprised if the madu in beruang madu isn't a loanword from Sanskrit. (I know there are supposed to be lots of Indic loanwords, e.g., the name of the language Bahasa Indonesia is from Sanskrit bhasa 'language'.) The two roots *melit and *medhu- in PIE both mean 'honey'. English honey is related to Latin canicæ 'bran' from *ken@ko- 'honey yellow, golden yellow'.


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Dear of troy: here is a site that aggrees with much of your
post.
http://www.meadmadecomplicated.org/history/etymology.html


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English honey is related to Latin canicæ 'bran' from *ken@ko

Can you expound on how that works, jheem?


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