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#123466 02/20/04 07:18 PM
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Like a voiceless velar fricative, or what the Germans used to call an Achlaut as distinguished from the Ichlaut. But at the time, there were some who pronounced {x} and {j} as a voiceless palatoalveolar fricative like the {sh} in ship /'SIp/. Cf. Quixote in French Quichotte. English sherry from Xerez.


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Sorry, didn't read too carefully. All I know on the east coast is Rimini, Ancona, or Bari. (I guess Venezia is to far north; and what about Trieste?) Too many Albanian pirates on that side of the boot for this Ligurian. (Anything south of La Spezia is kinda vague.)


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From encyclopedia about Cesare Borgia:
Cesare also seized (1502) Piombino, Elba, Camerino, and the duchy of Urbino

Arthur C. Clarke did use the word, but he made it plain that
Urbino had the most "urbane" culture in history, in his
estimation.


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So, you were looking for the province of Ancona in the Marches (eastern-central Italy). The Medici were also for a brief period the Dukes of Urbino.


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All I could remember about Ancona, was that there is the
Rubicon, a boundary forbidden to provincial governors with
armies, so that Caesar became an outlaw by crossing it with his army.


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