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#111659 09/13/03 01:52 AM
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And, Max, my good sir, however you try to wrangle it, the process of ponderous thought is upon you...if you're wallowing in the perception of pure intellect, pure thought, clear thought, alas!...that is the philosophy of Descartes! And if you're claiming the process of ponderous thought is useless, that's nihilism! And if you're asserting that the process of thought is not necessary at all, that is the here-and-now of existentialism...or the heart of Zen! And if you're simply claiming 1 + 1 = 2, well that goes back to Pythagorean numerology and all its philosophic computations and connotations!

I think, therefore I am.


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Where did I say that I had any beef with philosophy? Philosophers, now that's a whole nother story.
It also appears that you are making a very ssignifcant extension of the term "nihilism", which M-W tells me is:
1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths

That definition is, as I read it, a long way from the use to which you put the word nihilism. Especially since most schools of philosophy could be lumped in under the second option above. I like questions, a lot. What distinguishes me from most philosophers, however, is that I am not repelled by, nor afraid of, the idea that some questions may actually have answers. Nor am I consumed by a need to pontificate simply for pontification's sake. Think Bart's beautiful response to "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" - now that was a Zen moment!


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Thanks, Max...I knew you'd come around to a *way of thinking.

And, yeah, I extended the Nile in nihilism a bit, just to draw you out.




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the process of ponderous thought

That some idiot has felt obliged to babble senselessly about something does not infect that thing with senselessness.


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>That some idiot has felt obliged to babble senselessly about something does not infect that thing with senselessness.


Which is kinda why I made the distinction I did.


#111664 09/13/03 10:15 PM
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re: above +board ad infinitum

the more i know, the less i understand


#111665 09/14/03 01:29 AM
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the more i know, the less i understand

Yes, and the more I know, the less I stand under.



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The trouble with loving wisdom is that it hardly ever loves you back.


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I think philosophy should be considered a proper subset of the broad category of MSU, making feces up.

I suspect it's not coincidence that Jacque Derrida reads like Edgar Cayce, and Martin "the nearness of the farness" Heidegger like some stoner at a Zappa concert.

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