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#110580 08/21/03 03:45 PM
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vbq wrote that my name, Zed (the Canadian pronounciation of the last letter of the alphabet) impatriated me. A combination of imprint and patriate. I liked the concept so I thought I'd share it.


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have you recently moved to Canada?



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It almost sounds a bit serious, like implicated. You generally don't want to be implicated in connection with a crime.

Also, based on the name, you could have been British. FWIW.


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Also, based on the name, you could have been British

... or even [gasp!] Zildian!


#110584 08/21/03 10:11 PM
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re could have been British or Zildian. Agreed but around here (N Amer) it is a quick way to tell Canuck vs Yank. There are other ways of course, ruf vs rooof on your house, etc .
As for just moving here I was born here just (hrmphmumblmumble) years ago.


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... or even [gasp!] Zildian!

nah, that'ud be zid!


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>zid.

Nope, it's Zuld, the land of fush and chups. We're non-rhotic, not non-ellic.


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ah, so true - my brain must have been dallying in Suth Efrica or something: please accept craven apologies for the foul slur! btw, it occurred to me recently that this feature of Zildian could well owe a lot to the Scottish influence - what do you reckon?


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So do the zed'ers outnumber the zee'ers? Canucks are so used to being outnumbered that we outside the neighbourhood.


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around here (N Amer)

But here isn't N Amer. It's everywhere.

On the internet nobody knows you're a dog


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>So do the zed'ers outnumber the zee'ers?

Depends how you count. The number of nations where zed is standard is greater than the number of nations where zee is standard(afaik, only one "English as first language" country uses "zee"). However, that one one nation has more English speakers than the others put together.


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all this alphabetification aside, I don't think the word fits anyway.



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Agreed, et. Your first comment stands. Strange, though - the word got me thinking this is (almost) another of those constructions in which the root form is friendless - has anyone actually read a document using the verb to patriate? Repatriate, expatriate, surebut®...

and in the only online dictionary ref I saw (from an admittedly cursory look), guess which is one of the countries to recognise this word patriate as of useful service?!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0580359.html


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B&M OED lists impatriotic. It means not patriotic.


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> impatriotic.

I like it. Would you say that's relation to unpatriotic is akin to the relationship between amoral and immoral? I would much rather describe myself as passionately impatriotic, if I understand its meaning correctly.


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akin to the relationship between amoral and immoral?

I didn't get that feeling from OED, but I like it, too.

Count me in.


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Obs. rare.

Not patriotic; unpatriotic. So impatriotism, want of patriotism.

1805 W. TAYLOR in Ann. Rev. III. 281 Nothing of impiety, but only of impatriotism. Ibid. 317 Every thing..which infringes on our cosmopolitical duty is really impatriotic.


although it appears that this word belonged exclusively to W. Taylor (R.I.P.), someone out there may be renewing the ®. why not just coin "apatriotic"?

(aptually®, apatriotic gets 150 Googles®; most of them are clearly typos, but here's something apropos from Groups:
The people who try to *keep* people from expressing their opinions are unpatriotic, while the sheep who have no opinion are apatriotic. :)
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www.impatriotic.com purports to sell First and Second Run decks of the infamous "Most Wanted" deck of cards.

This site (http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/niger_delta/nd128032003.html) uses the word. Perhaps one could suss out the meaning from the context.


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>www.impatriotic.com

it appears that www.unpatriotic.com was already taken; and there seems to be a claim in for www.apatriotic.com -- let's hope they get it right!


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Well I'm definitely not un- or a-patriotic so darn there goes another good word uncoined.


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and in the only online dictionary ref I saw (from an admittedly cursory look), guess which is one of the countries to recognise this word patriate as of useful service?!

That's because we did it, in 1982, we patriated our Constitution (brought it under our own control) so we no longer have to go begging to your House O' Lords to make changes to our Constitution.


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no longer have to go begging to your House O' Lords to make changes to our Constitution.

When in the Course of human Events…


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Yah, well, we do things differently up here. Polite conversation instead of bloody revolution, that sort of thing...


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We woulda been happy to walk away quietly. But, no!


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begging to your House O' Lords to make changes to our Constitution

Shaddup, yah moaning minnies - at least y'all have got a constitution!

On the other hand, our supreme court authority doesn't appoint the chief executive by fiat!


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Well, we don't have a constitution, just a Bill of Rights, and if every statute was written the way our Bill of Rights is, lawyers would be nearly redundant.


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