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#10980 11/27/00 09:47 PM
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jazz, I think the point is that (OTOH) you don't say "the team are us"?


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Not that absurd. Sounds like an everyday occurrence for this particular board!

Ah so... but what else can you expect from a board ruled by Ænigma, that fun-loving, sui generis, eminence grise?


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jazz, I think the point is that (OTOH) you don't say "the team are us"?

No, I wouldn't say that either. This is obviously a case, and there are many more, in which a plural noun mysteriously becomes a singular noun. It's an act of unification. "We are a team" reinforces the maxim "There is no 'I' in 'team'."

P.S. What's this new acronym of yours (OTOH)?


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P.S. What's this new acronym of yours (OTOH)?


OTOH - there are four fingers and a thumb.


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Anna, The idea is, if it's a discussion, to say Board members disagreed among themselves. Or,in the case of a split vote, The board members disagreed with each other. I stand by the neuter its! It's hard wired from years of newspapering.


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Wow, I gather you have much more newspaper experience than I. I've since given journalism up for longer than Lent, but put in a total of 20 yrs between paper and wire service reporting and editing. Now that I've stated my credentials , my question is this: I stil feel there are times when the plural is appropriate; e.g., "My family are spending Christmas in different places this year." Would you rewrite that to say, for example, "The members of my family are..." ?


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Would you rewrite that to say, for example, "The members of my family are..." ?

Annatie,
Agreed that over this side of the Pond we often use singular nouns as plurals when they refer to composites. I don't have a problem with that, though (shanks) as it's just an abbreviated reference.

I could refer to my family as a unit - "my family is very close" or I could refer to it as a composite - "my family live in a variety of different places". I suppose in the latter case I would implicitly be saying "the members of my family", but that's unwieldy.

Sometimes it's more appropriate to refer to a company as a plural, when you want to emphasize the implicit "we" for instance.

There you go, an example of Brits removing something not essential to understanding! Wonders never cease




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AnnaS, dear heart, over 40 years plus born into a newspapering family. If anyone meets the criteria, it can be fairly said I have ink in my veins. That said, I am no expert a'tall a'tall...just a lot of experience.
There's another old saying in the business "There's no such thing as nine years experience on a beat, just three years experience repeated three times!"
I agree with that sentiment in relation to myself. The work is the same the Rolodex (Rolodexes? Rolodexi?) just get bigger! Aloha, WOW



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I forgot to answer your question. I think I'd re-cast. This is one of those questions I have heard argued over many times during the years ... like the old USAF riddle about the canary. Endles. ALoha, WOW


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>"the team are us"

Is that from the same part of speech as the phrase "Toys Are Us"?! (couldn't find backwards R)


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