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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: more on lexemes #106283 07/01/03 11:55 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 beauty is truth If that's what led Keats to believe that beauty is truth then I submit that he had it flat backwards. Beauty is the order, the pattern, that we impose on truth and a distortion of it and, in that distortion, the exact opposite of truth. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: more on lexemes #106284 07/01/03 12:13 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont I'm trying to reflect on this, but it's like looking in a fun-house mirror... need more coffee... formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: more on lexemes #106285 07/01/03 12:18 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 fun-house mirror Perhaps. I think the imposed distortion of reality comes closer to Truth as it is most often used. I think I'll join you in that nother cup of coffee, Cygne. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter The exact opposite of truth #106286 07/01/03 05:59 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Hmm. Faldage, if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that a distortion is the exact opposite of truth. I don't think I can agree with that, in this context. You said, Beauty is the order, the pattern, that we impose on truth and a distortion of it . I wouldn't argue with that! But to me, the opposite of truth is a deliberate lie or misrepresentation, and when we impose order and patterns on "truth", this distortion is not deliberate--most of the time, anyway. It comes from our personal frames of reference: our experiences. For ex.: say that two people are looking down on a field of flowers from aloft. There are two colors of flowers. Person A, who has never heard of or seen a Turkish coffee pot, says, "Oh, look--the red flowers are in the shape of a watering can". Person B, who has never heard of or seen a watering can, says, "The red flowers form the shape of a cesve*". Now, neither person is lying; both are saying what they "see". And I don't think this is "the exact opposite of truth". In this instance, the "truth" might be that the pattern of the red flowers is merely random. *I will put the only link to a picture of a Turkish coffee pot that I found, BUT--it is a commercial site...come to think of it, I'd better not post it here. But I've saved it, so if anyone is desperately curious, PM me and I'll send it to you. I will copy a quote from there, though, because this Gene person is from Lexington, KY: turkish coffee pot Comments: “The Greeks call it an Ibrik; the Arabs call it a cezve. The point is, wherever your recipient goes, they'll have fresh Turkish coffee with them. Perfect for camping, road trips, or any vacation.” Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,322 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 519 guests, and 4 robots. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 25 A C Bowden 13 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 tsuwm 10,542 wofahulicodoc 10,535 LukeJavan8 9,916 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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