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#101878 04/28/03 01:30 AM
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tsuwm, your use of the word redux got me to thinking about it. It's not a word that I use commonly. Here's what Atomica has to say about it:
re·dux (rç-dŭks')
adj.
Brought back; returned. Used postpositively.

[Latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]


I followed their suggestion to look up duke, and oh my gosh, look at what it says about sense 4, down at the bottom!
duke (dûk, dyûk)
n.
1. A nobleman with the highest hereditary rank, especially a man of the highest grade of the peerage in Great Britain.
2. A sovereign prince who rules an independent duchy in some European countries.
3. (Abbr. D. or Du.) Used as the title for such a nobleman.
4. Slang. A fist. Often used in the plural: Put up your dukes!
5. Botany. A type of cherry intermediate between a sweet and a sour cherry.
intr.v., duked, duk·ing, dukes.
To fight, especially with fists: duking it out.

[Middle English, from Old French duc, from Latin dux, duc-, leader, from dûcere, to lead. N., sense 4, short for Duke of Yorks, rhyming slang for forks, fingers.]




#101879 04/28/03 08:43 AM
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Latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke. IMHO, this is slightly misleading. redux was certainly derived from reducere, which does have a common origin (i.e.ducere) with, but does not stem from dux, the duke.




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Really? Oooh, do you mean the AHD, a real dictionary, might be wrong? How exciting!


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I so wanted contranym to mean a self-referential self-contradictory word. The paradigm would have been "monosyllabic."

(But I think that's all redux too.)

Is "redux" an old word for "YART" ?


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the AHD, a real dictionary, might be wrong?

I think "wrong" might be a little strong. As wsieber said, "misleading" might be a little closer to the truth, although to suggest that AHD is saying it comes from the word for duke is probably a little misleading its own se'f. It merely refers us to the entry for duke to see more about the origin of dux. Merriam-Webster dates redux's entry into English to 1873. Might be intersting to see what OED has to say about the matter.


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a self-referential self-contradictory word

It would be nice. There's another word for this, I believe. Perhaps tsuwm could dig it up for us.


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>a self-referential self-contradictory word

elsewhen, we discussed Hofstadter's coinages autological (self-descriptive) and heterological (non-self-descriptive). 'monosyllabic' is heterological.


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