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#188678 01/11/10 12:13 PM
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Anu Garg wrote, "The word religion derives from Latin ligare (to tie or to bind, as in 'ligament'), but it best serves as a tool to divide people."

No, it is prejudiced attitudes such as this that tends to divide people.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" - Luke 10: 27

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We don't discuss religion on this board.

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Now, on the etymology of religion AHD4 tempers its mention of descent from the Latin ligare with the all important qualifier, 'perhaps'.

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I can understand Sldgman's comment, however, when the
weekly theme is "words related to religion". Yet the "related"
should keep it theologically and denominationally "free".


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Originally Posted By: Faldage
Now, on the etymology of religion AHD4 tempers its mention of descent from the Latin ligare with the all important qualifier, 'perhaps'.


the supposed contention here (ex. OED online):
by Cicero connected with relegere to read over again (see RELECTION n.), so that the supposed original sense of ‘religion’ would have been ‘painstaking observance of rites’, but by later authors (especially by early Christian writers) with religare RELIGATE v., ‘religion’ being taken as ‘that which ties believers to God’. Each view finds supporters among modern scholars.

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From Latin precari (to pray). Ultimately from the Indo-European root prek- (to ask) that is also the source of words such as pray, precarious, deprecate, and postulate.

At first I thought precari would also have led to 'preach', but I found 'preach' comes from late O.E. predician.
It's funny that the root prek- is only two letters short for our word for preaching/sermon : n.'preek' or verb. preken.
What I remember from our youth is that preken, the preek was never ask but always tell Donner und Blitze:'thou shalt or shalt not'.

precatory and predician, almost alike visually, have then opposites meanings?

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Well--a couple of hundred years ago, the invaders here would say, "I pray thee", meaning, "I ask of thee". And somewhere along the way (earlier, I think, p'raps in England) "pray thee" became "prithee".

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Anu Garg wrote, "The word religion derives from Latin ligare (to tie or to bind, as in 'ligament'), but it best serves as a tool to divide people."

I found your quote to be highly inappropriate and a blatant misuse of the Wordsmith venue now used to communicate your brazenly obvious position on religion. I am not a religious person, I have found relationship with Jesus and Christian-centered spirituality. However, your lack of respect is offensive to countless thousands who can now choose to pray for you.

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Yep, I think this seemingly contradiction only exists in Dutch as it seems to go back directly to the root word 'prek-'.
Bizarre word.

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predician

Old English predician is a loan from Latin predico 'to foretell'.


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