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After seeing a word in French, a light bulb went on, but I don't know if I'm right. Since there are such awesome experts here, I thought I'd ask. Do the words "winter" and "hibernate" share etymologies? Thanks! :0)
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hmm. from etymonline: winter
O.E., "fourth season of the year," from P.Gmc. *wentruz (cf. O.Fris., Du. winter, O.S., O.H.G. wintar, Ger. winter, Dan., Swed. vinter, Goth. wintrus, O.N. vetr "winter"), possibly from PIE *wed-/*wod-/*ud- "wet" (see water), or from *wind- "white" (cf. Celt. vindo- "white"). The Anglo-Saxons counted years in "winters," cf. O.E. ænetre "one-year-old." O.N. Vetrardag, first day of winter, was the Saturday that fell between Oct. 10 and 16. The verb meaning "to pass the winter (in some place)" is recorded from 1382. Winterize is from 1938, on model of earlier summerize (1935). Wintergreen as a type of plant is recorded from 1548. and hibernation
1664, from L. hibernationem (nom. hibernatio "the action of passing the winter," from hibernare "to winter," from hiems "winter," from PIE *gheim- "snow, winter" (cf. Skt. heman "in winter," Hittite gimmanza, Gk. kheima, O.C.S. zima, Lith. ziema "winter"). Hibernate is first attested 1802. strange that "gheim=winter" isn't mentioned in the etymology for winter.... and coincidentally, I've been listening to Bon Iver
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And what is French for winter?
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hiver
which is why I thought you brought up hibernate?
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hiver and invierno share the same root, she added helpfully.
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Bon Iver sang the Emma Song in a lift in the Amsterdam Paradiso theater last year. A song. (Behind) Closed Doors
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strange that "gheim=winter" isn't mentioned in the etymology for winter.... is not the source of the word "winter", so it's not strange at all.
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strange that "gheim=winter" isn't mentioned in the etymology for winter.... is not the source of the word "winter", so it's not strange at all. ? so, doesn't your kink confirm that "gheim" IS the base for winter?
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so, doesn't your kink confirm that "gheim" IS the base for winter?
No, goofy's link shows that the PIE root glossed as winter is the origin of Latin hiems 'winter], hibernus] 'pertaining to winter', (it's also the source of Sanskrit hima 'cold, frost; snow' whence Himalayas the mountain range). Some derive English winter (and the other Germanic words like German Winter) from PIE *kweid- 'white, light'.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Looks like right from the PIE root the diversion and confusion starts?
Today's word has in it's tail another winter word:
brumal:
[From Latin brumalis (pertaining to winter), from brevima dies (shortest day or winter solstice), from brevis (short). Other words that are derived from the same Latin root are abbreviate, abridge, brevity, breve, and brevet.] Those Romans...
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