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grotesque

Posted By: wwh

grotesque - 02/27/04 12:40 AM

In a Sherlock Holmes story, Holmes asks Watson to define
"grotesque".
"I suppose, Watson, we must look upon you as a man of letters," said he. "How do you define the word 'grotesque'?"

"Strange--remarkable," I suggested.

He shook his head at my definition.

"There is surely something more than that," said he; "some underlying suggestion of the tragic and the terrible."

grotesque (from AHD)

SYLLABICATION: gro·tesque
PRONUNCIATION: gr-tsk
ADJECTIVE: 1. Characterized by ludicrous or incongruous distortion, as of appearance or manner. 2. Outlandish or bizarre, as in character or appearance. See synonyms at fantastic. 3. Of, relating to, or being the grotesque style in art or a work executed in this style.
NOUN: 1. One that is grotesque. 2a. A style of painting, sculpture, and ornamentation in which natural forms and monstrous figures are intertwined in bizarre or fanciful combinations. b. A work of art executed in this style.
ETYMOLOGY: From French, a fanciful style of decorative art, from Italian grottesca, from feminine of grottesco, of a grotto, from grotta, grotto. See grotto.
OTHER FORMS: gro·tesquely —ADVERB




Posted By: Fiberbabe

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 02:30 PM

For the record, the figures often found on the eaves of cathedrals are only gargoyles if they mask a downspout. If they're just there ornamentally, they're grotesques...

*Finally* somewhere to spit out my useless trivia!

Posted By: wwh

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 04:25 PM

So now we know "grotesques" can't gargle.

Posted By: Faldage

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 04:27 PM

They can't gargle oil, anyway.

Posted By: jheem

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 04:44 PM

A-H: "Middle English gargoile, from Old French gargole, gargouille, throat, waterspout." Gargle, gurgle, and gargoyle all seem to be related. Meyer-Lübke gives garga (onomatopoeic word) 'to gargle, gurgle'. Kluge suggests that German Gurgel was an early loanword from Latin gurgulio 'gullet, weasand, windpipe' (although it was also a slang term for penis). Weasand is a great word I hadn't run across before. Gullet is from Latin gula via French. So the meaning of gargoyle when the part to the whole.

Posted By: wwh

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 04:54 PM

Webster 1913 defines "weasand" as "windpipe".
I wonder if "wheeze" is related.

Posted By: jheem

Re: grotesque - 02/27/04 05:11 PM

No, they do not seem to be. OE wásand and ME whesen (perhaps from ON hvæsa 'to hiss', related to Latin queror, -i, questum 'to complain; warble (of birds)').

Posted By: Wordwind

Re: grotesque - 09/11/04 02:07 PM

*Finally* somewhere to spit out my useless trivia!

Delightful trivia, FB! Just read this thread and will pass on your trivia about the distinction between gargoyles and grotesques to my charges ASAP. Consider yourself a pebble cast into still waters.

Posted By: Dogin123

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 12:37 AM

Aldous Huxley
Posted By: BranShea

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 05:27 AM

This thread pops up like a ghost from the past just like the 'Grottesche', where the word comes from, were dug up from the underground:

The name Grottesche, like Benvenuto Cellini explains in his autobiography, comes from the grottos of the Esquilino hills in Rome that were in fact the underground remains of the Domus aurea of Nero, discovered in 1480 and immediately becoming a popular item for the painters of that time, who took the challenge to study the fanciful, bizarre rediscovered paintings.

grottesche

Just to add something to the Etymology of wwh's first post in 2004 . Gargoyles are grotesqe but the word come from gargouille, Old French for throat. Grotesqe from 'grottesche'.

* Do I see zmejhz here in before the metamorphosis?*
Posted By: Faldage

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: BranShea


* Do I see zmejhz here in before the metamorphosis?*


We called jheem Nuncle, too.
Posted By: zmjezhd

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 04:42 PM

jheem

Yes, jheem was my father's only son.
Posted By: BranShea

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 04:46 PM

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 09:45 PM

grotty!

(from one of my many favorite scenes in a Hard Days' Night)
Posted By: tsuwm

Re: grotesque - 10/29/07 09:50 PM

Quote:
‘I wouldn't be seen dead in them. They're dead grotty.’ Marshall stared. ‘Grotty?’ ‘Yeah—grotesque.’
Posted By: Zed

Re: grotesque - 10/30/07 12:15 AM

Quote:
Just to add something to the Etymology of wwh's first post in 2004 . Gargoyles are grotesqe but the word come from gargouille, Old French for throat. Grotesqe from 'grottesche'.


Is this becouse they were used at the end of gutters to direct the rain off the cathedral walls?
Posted By: BranShea

Re: grotesque - 10/30/07 08:22 AM

Gos,Yes! of course.I never took that little mindstep. Seems like the most logical association to make.Thanks!
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: grotesque - 10/30/07 12:14 PM

> mindstep

I like that.
Posted By: R. Eastcourt

Re: grotesque - 11/17/07 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Zed
Quote:
Just to add something to the Etymology of wwh's first post in 2004 . Gargoyles are grotesqe but the word come from gargouille, Old French for throat. Grotesqe from 'grottesche'.


Is this becouse they were used at the end of gutters to direct the rain off the cathedral walls?


No, becuase.
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