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Pinchbeck

Posted By: midimil

Pinchbeck - 11/19/07 03:53 PM

I was always intrigued by the line from the song "Ya Got Trouble" from the musical "The Music Man" that went like this: "Well the next thing you know your son is playing for money in a pinchback suit..."

I always assumed that was "pinchback" connoted a style of tailoring, perhaps with pleats on the back of the jacket. Maybe the word, however, was actually "pinchbeck," as in a fabric that was some sort of counterfeit of a more expensive fabric.
Posted By: tsuwm

Re: Pinchbeck - 11/19/07 04:11 PM

pinch-back over pinchbeck.

-joe (six to nothin') friday
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: Pinchbeck - 11/19/07 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: tsuwm
pinch-back over pinchbeck.

-joe (six to nothin') friday


yeahbut®
Posted By: BranShea

Re: Pinchbeck - 11/19/07 05:54 PM

Webster online sure has a lot of synonyms

Deception: Untrue; mock, sham, make-believe, counterfeit, snide, pseudo, spurious, supposititious, so-called, pretended, feigned, trumped up, bogus, scamped, fraudulent, tricky, factitious;bastard; surreptitious, illegitimate, contraband, adulterated, sophisticated; unsound, rotten at the core; colorable; disguised; meretricious, tinsel, pinchbeck, plated; catchpenny; Brummagem.

Ornament: Finery, frippery, gewgaw, gimcrack, tinsel, spangle, clinquant, pinchbeck, paste; excess of ornament; (vulgarity); gaud, pride.


Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: Pinchbeck - 11/19/07 06:33 PM

looking up both pinchback and pinchbeck, it seems to me the word in the song would/should be pinchbEck:

adjective - appearing valuable, but actually cheap or tawdry.

though perhaps it's not.
Posted By: Aramis

Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble - 11/19/07 08:42 PM

May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble - 11/19/07 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Aramis
May want to consider that source includes "three-reail billiard shot". So many posted lyrics are flawed, as if recorded in text from listening to the selection.


hence my yeahbut®.
Posted By: tsuwm

Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble - 11/19/07 09:53 PM

hence my "six to nothin'" notation; to wit, try googling "for money in a pinchback suit" (or pinch back / pinch-back) vs. the alternative. the "s are important.

of course, everyone could have it wrong.

-ron o.

edit: there is one(1) hit for pinchbeck -- it seems to be from an NPR radio transcript, which you can buy.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: Pinchb[e/a]ck Trouble - 11/19/07 10:41 PM

good stuff from WWW: pinchbeck

and t, that's what I figured you meant.
Posted By: The Pook

Re: Pinchbeck - 03/05/08 06:28 AM

Pinchbeck is a metal alloy. It is used for things like photo frames. Its main use was in the 19th century for the preserver matts and frames around daguerreotypes and ambrotypes. When used in this context in America it is called Preserver. Pinchbeck is its British name.

Here is an example of a Pinchbeck preserver frame from my daguerreotype collection:
Posted By: Zed

Re: Pinchbeck - 03/05/08 11:21 PM

The frame is great. Is he a relative?
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu

Re: Pinchbeck - 03/06/08 12:14 AM

I think it's Severus Snape.
Posted By: The Pook

Re: Pinchbeck - 03/06/08 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: etaoin
I think it's Severus Snape.

So did I! That's what I captioned it with on my dating photos page for 1840-1860 - Dating Photos 1840s-1860

Originally Posted By: Zed
is it a relative?

Sadly I don't have any daguerreotypes of relatives. I have no idea who it is. I bought him on ebay (where else?). The oldest photos of relatives I have only go back to the 1860s and are collodion prints on paper.
Posted By: tsuwm

Re: Pinchbeck - 04/27/08 10:54 PM

I bubble this thread up today because I opened Daniel Pinchbeck's 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl last night and discovered this line: "For a few years, I flourished in the hectic hothouse and pinchbeck glitter of the "roaring eighties."

ol' Daniel must have really gloried in that usage.

-joe (gaudy) friday
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