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Posted By: Wordsmith Guten Tag - 03/20/00 05:09 AM
The German language's affinity for sesquipedalians once led Mark Twain to
quip, "Some German words are so long that they have a perspective." Having
polysyllabic words in a language is no sin as long as you get your words'
worth. In that respect, those lengthy German words are worth every syllable.
Where else can you find a single word, schadenfreude, for example, that
conveys the whole concept of 'pleasure derived from the misfortunes of
others'. The English language knows a good thing when it sees one and has
generously borrowed terms from German. This week we meet seven of them,
both with and without 'perspective'.

Posted By: jimthedog Re: Guten Tag - 02/26/01 09:56 AM
This isn't exactly about German loanwords,but Mark Twain did write a funny essay, called The awful german language. That's where Wordsmiths quote comes from, and the parts about parentheses and gender are funny.I can't tell you where to get a copy,though, because mine was printed in the 30's. jimthedog

Posted By: jimthedog Re: Guten Tag - 02/27/01 10:11 AM
This is about a funny essay on German by Mark Twain more than loanwords,but here goes it. Mr. Twain wrote The awful German language.It's got some funny parts on gender(3,not related to the person) and parentheses(use them whenever you want,as long as it's frequent.)Also, I believe it's where Anu got his quote.I wouldn't know where to get it, though, because our copy is old enough to be out of print.you might be able to borrow it from somebody. jimthedog

Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: Guten Tag - 03/12/01 01:12 PM
Hier herrscht ja Totenstille.

This section might as well be deleted

Posted By: wwh Re: Guten Tag - 03/13/01 01:26 AM
During WWII, many German military terms became widely known. Just a few are:

flak - antiaircraft fire
Luftwaffe - airforce
Panzer - tanks, etc.
Blitzkrieg - literally lightning (swift) attack in war
Feuerwerfer - flame thrower

Posted By: wwh Re: Guten Tag - 03/13/01 01:39 AM
During WWII, many German military terms became widely known.
Just a few of them are:
flak - antiaircraft fire
Luftwaffe - (German) Air Force
Panzer - tanks, etc.
Blitzkrieg - lightning (fast) war


Posted By: wwh Re: Guten Tag - 03/13/01 05:08 PM
During WWII many German military terms became widely used in newspapers and magazines.
Just a few examples:
flak: anti-aircraft fire
Panzer: tanks and othere armored vehicles
Blitzkrieg: lightning fast attack
Luftwaffe: (German) air force

Posted By: Sparteye Re: Guten Tag - 03/13/01 07:04 PM
I submit this post for the sole reason of removing the tag "one posts" from this thread on the main index page. Obsessive? Who's obsessive?

Danke.

Chuz.

Posted By: Sparteye Re: Guten Tag - 03/13/01 07:30 PM
I am submitting this post for the solely to change the "one posts" tag on this thread on the main index page.

Obsessive? Who's obsessive?

Posted By: wsieber Re: Guten Tag - 03/15/01 05:55 AM
Just a test from Switzerland, to check the reach of big brother

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Posted By: Faldage Re: Guten Tag - 03/15/01 03:49 PM
Gesundheit!

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Posted By: jimthedog Re: Guten Tag - 03/27/01 10:24 AM
I have read the story that Twain quote is from. It is out of The Awful German Language. If you ever find it anywhere, read it. It goes on a bit in one part about the illogic of how they use gender.he has a short story in there translated word for word into English. The whole thing is very funny

jimthedog
Posted By: Jackie Re: Guten Tag - 03/28/01 12:38 AM
Just testing.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: Guten Tag/Words from German - 04/13/01 02:30 AM
Neanderthal: A species of prehistoric man first identified in the Neander Valley; Neander + Thal/Tal (valley)...no, don't ask! Sorry, folks, I had to!

Posted By: lastday Words spelled the same in German and English - 05/26/01 01:49 AM
The word terrorist is spelled the same way in German and English. I was wondering if it means the same thing in both languages.

Posted By: squid Re: Guten Tag - 06/17/01 09:30 AM
I am constantly amazed by the new and difficult to translate words that I have stumbled upon since moving to Germany. One that I can think of off the top of my head is schrottreif (pronounced shrot-rife). The dictionary translation is "Ready for the scrap heap". What a useful word!

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Posted By: Keiva Re: Guten Tag - 08/30/01 11:45 PM
Who says you can't post under "Loanwords from German"?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Aber können wir hier posten? - 10/31/01 01:54 PM
Aber gewiss!

Posted By: wwh Re: Aber können wir hier posten? - 10/31/01 08:24 PM
Mark Twain learned to speak German quite well, enough to make fun over some long German words
that would not be candidates for LoanWords:

Generalstaatsverordnetenversammlungen.

Alterthumswissenschaften.

Kinderbewahrungsanstalten.

Unabhaengigkeitserklaerungen.

Wiedererstellungbestrebungen.

Waffenstillstandsunterhandlungen.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Guten Tag - 11/04/01 05:56 PM
In reading Stephen Ambrose's "D-Day" I find this:

...the German command structure was a disaster. Hitler's mistrust of the generals and the generals' mistrust of Hitler were worth a king's ransom to the Allies. So were Hitler's sleeping habits, as well as his Wolkenkuckucksheim ideas.

I assume the big word may be glossed approximately as Cloud-cuckoo-land?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 11/05/01 02:54 PM
Good assumption, tsuwm.

Wolke - cloud

Kuckuck - cuckoo (the s makes it genitive)

Heim - home



Posted By: wwh Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 11/05/01 07:56 PM
A king's ransom in those days would have been peanuts. A better figure of speech might have been "worth twenty divisions".

I also think that Hitler's intelligence has been erroneously underestimated. It is hard to judge his mental aberrations. I asked a top Boston psychiatrist in 1939 if Hitler was insane, and he replied "Absolutely not!"
I recently read that Hitler's own physician felt differently.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 11/05/01 08:02 PM
...and your Boston guy might well have changed his opinion by '44 or '45.

Posted By: Fiberbabe Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 01/30/02 02:49 PM
I just decided to venture below the equator to LfG, and I'll resurrect this in order to publicly bring up the book I'm currently fascinated by - Dr Bill, did your top Boston psychiatrist happen to work at McLean? I'm in the middle of Gracefully Insane, the author of which escapes me currently, but it's an amazing history of the psychiatric hospital in the Boston suburbs. Just fishin' to see what comes out of bringing it up...

Posted By: maverick Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 01/30/02 03:03 PM
Gracefully Insane, the author of which escapes...

Get him back quick!

But tell us more - what is it that's particularly got you interested in this tale?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Gracefully Insane - 01/30/02 03:16 PM
by Alex Beam

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S3FF2195

Is this the one?

Posted By: Fiberbabe Re: Cloud Cuckoo Land - 01/30/02 03:30 PM
Gracefully Insane, the author of which escapes...

Get him back quick!

Didn't Ken Kesey identify most strongly with the Indian? But I digress...

It's a social history of Boston as much as anything. Apparently every prominent family in New England (that is anybody who was *anybody*) had someone take a "vacation" there. Sylvia Plath, James Taylor plus his brother and sister, Ray Charles, and John Forbes Nash (A Beautiful Mind) all did a stint there, along with many others (long gone) whose names I don't remember off the top of my head (likely because they're long gone). Just read last night about the rise of talk therapy and Freud's stint in treating some McLean patients... a great survey of the evolution of psychiatric practices, plus regional social history.

And to think I was drawn to the cover in the bookstore because I saw the picture of the building on the cover and initially misread the first word of the title as "Graceland". I bought it anyway after I read the inside flap!

Posted By: Fiberbabe Re: Gracefully Insane - 01/30/02 03:31 PM
Faldage:

Yes.

FB

Posted By: Faldage Re: Graceland Insane - 01/30/02 04:40 PM
I checked this one out at amazon.com and the closest match they could find for me was The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland (DVD/VHS)

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